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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
They've divided atheism into Strong and Weak atheism, which I will call Satheism and Watheism, respectivey.
Satheism is the belief that god does not exist. Watheism is the lack of a belief that god does exist. You are calling for a evidence against the existance of god to support Satheism. There is no evidence against the existance of god For this reason, Satheism is as logically ridiculous as theism. Watheism, on the other hand, is making no positive assertion, so it requires no evidence to back it up. You have Watheists on this thread arguing against your position against Satheism, you guys aren't Side note: The Watheists claim that theirs is the default position, that you are born lacking belief until someone feeds it to you. It would be interesting to see the result of a Forbidden Experiment for this, whether or not an isolated individual would come up with a god or not. If they did, would the Watheists still consider their position to be the defult? How would they react to the result?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I've asked at least twice for any reason to entertain the existance of a god and have had no reply. There being more people that do believe in god than do not is a reason to, at least, entertain the possibility of the existance of god. The Bible makes a claim that god exists. That is a reason to, at least, entertain the possibility that god exists. Me telling you that god does exists is a reason to entertain the possibility too.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I can't help but think that appealing to the majority or authority is a logical fallacy. So. I maintain that they are reasons to entertain the possibility of the existance of god.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Then entertain the Green Lantern Hypothosis. Absolutely. It has been entertained and considered.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Is there a difference between this and agnosticism? Seems the same to me. I don't really see much of a difference but the Watheists say there's a difference. Maybe one will chime in and explain it to us.
There is no evidence against the existance of god There might be. I'm not sure yet.
Nor will you ever be.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What makes you so certain? Because you can't logically conclude that something does not exist(except in math).
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You might if they have certain definite qualities which contradict existent things. for example? And how will you be sure these qualities are definite?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You figure out that these qualities would be the only attributes of God that made sense. Well I would deem that argument illogical. Making sense to us has nothing to do with gods attributes. In fact, I think the main attributes of god cannot make sense to us (omni-anything, for example).
You could determine if a God as described in the OP would logically have produced such a universe as we see. If not, He does not exist. But it's very tricky. While this might be a possible argument to make, you couldn't determine if the god was described accurately. Still, I think the argument would be illogical.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Why would it categorically be illogical? I don't know. Anyways... Making sense to us has nothing to do with gods attributes. In fact, I think the main attributes of god cannot make sense to us (omni-anything, for example). While this might be a possible argument to make, you couldn't determine if the god was described accurately.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
something ain't right here, why are there two message 191's?
Now, there are 2 explanations for the origins of the universe: 1. It was created by an eternal Being2. It has always existed in some form. There are your choices. There are no others.
False. It could have not existed in some form and then came into existance, not by an eternal being, but for no reason at all.
It would have to be the Being described in the OP. False. It could be the Green Lantern. But, for the purpose of this thread we will consider it that being. OK, assuming the first premis is true and considering the being in the OP, now you have to show how that being makes a contradiction with something we know is true and you've got a case against the existance of the god described in the OP, right?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What I did in the OP was ask a question. Was there such a case? And the answer is no. Case closed.
Nothing can come from nothing. Something can come from something. Nothing can come from something. Something can come from nothing. This game's no fun.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It would have to be the Being described in the OP. False. It could be the Green Lantern.
Not unless Green Lantern is another name for God. He would be merely a being arising from Nature. Revert to #2. It wasn't a reply to your false delimma, it was a reply to it having to be the god described in the OP.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, nothing can come from nothing. There always had to be something. That doesn't refute the point that there doesn't have to be a 'reason', such as a creator, for the existance of the universe to emerge while it hasn't existed forever. It could have came into being naturally, without a god.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, let's have your argument. Both of you premises are false.
How is it a false dilemma? see previous post.
How is my argument about the God in the OP wrong? It doesn't have to have the attributes you described.
I might very well be wrong. Oh, you are.
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