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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Ok, if it's a false dilemma, give me the other options.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
From the page on the fallacy:
Proof: Identify the options given and show (with an example) that there is an additional option. Do so then with the two possibilities Robin has declared to be the only two, and give an example. That is the test. So far many such examples have been offered on this topic and they are not genuine third options. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 04:53 PM
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
something ain't right here, why are there two message 191's?
Now, there are 2 explanations for the origins of the universe: 1. It was created by an eternal Being2. It has always existed in some form. There are your choices. There are no others.
False. It could have not existed in some form and then came into existance, not by an eternal being, but for no reason at all.
It would have to be the Being described in the OP. False. It could be the Green Lantern. But, for the purpose of this thread we will consider it that being. OK, assuming the first premis is true and considering the being in the OP, now you have to show how that being makes a contradiction with something we know is true and you've got a case against the existance of the god described in the OP, right?
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5925 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
quote:Assuming we agree that the witnesses did not write the New Testament books (written much later), the true authors were relaying what they heard from others. Isn't that hearsay? One more branch up the tree: Why do you believe inerrancy of these writers instead of some fuzzy interpretive truth like Phat does?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
but for no reason at all. Nothing can come from nothing.
OK, assuming the first premis is true and considering the being in the OP, now you have to show how that being makes a contradiction with something we know is true and you've got a case against the existance of the god described in the OP, right? What I did in the OP was ask a question. Was there such a case? But I am tinkering with some ideas. There is the argument for the "lack of design," for example. I haven't got it worked it out yet.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It could be the Green Lantern Not unless Green Lantern is another name for God. He would be merely a being arising from Nature. Revert to #2.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What I did in the OP was ask a question. Was there such a case? And the answer is no. Case closed.
Nothing can come from nothing. Something can come from something. Nothing can come from something. Something can come from nothing. This game's no fun.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It would have to be the Being described in the OP. False. It could be the Green Lantern.
Not unless Green Lantern is another name for God. He would be merely a being arising from Nature. Revert to #2. It wasn't a reply to your false delimma, it was a reply to it having to be the god described in the OP.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Something can come from something. Nothing can come from something. Something can come from nothing. This game's no fun. No, nothing can come from nothing. There always had to be something.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It wasn't a reply to your false delimma, it was a reply to it having to be the god described in the OP. Well, let's have your argument. How is it a false dilemma? How is my argument about the God in the OP wrong? These matters are tricky. I might very well be wrong.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Ok, if it's a false dilemma, give me the other options. The universe arose on its own through natural means.
Nothing can come from nothing. Well, this is a fun game. I'll play too! You can't have a being outside the natural universe. Nothing like a rollicking good round of "I said it; therefore it's true." "We had survived to turn on the History Channel And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied: You're what happens when two substances collide And by all accounts you really should have died." -Andrew Bird
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, nothing can come from nothing. There always had to be something. That doesn't refute the point that there doesn't have to be a 'reason', such as a creator, for the existance of the universe to emerge while it hasn't existed forever. It could have came into being naturally, without a god.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, let's have your argument. Both of you premises are false.
How is it a false dilemma? see previous post.
How is my argument about the God in the OP wrong? It doesn't have to have the attributes you described.
I might very well be wrong. Oh, you are.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The universe arose on its own through natural means. Natural means? Does that not presuppose nature? How can you have a "natural means" without nature? That's option #2.
Well, this is a fun game. I'll play too! You can't have a being outside the natural universe. Nothing like a rollicking good round of "I said it; therefore it's true." What are you talking about?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
That doesn't refute the point that there doesn't have to be a 'reason', such as a creator, for the existance of the universe to emerge while it hasn't existed forever. It could have came into being naturally, without a god. Don't you need a "nature" for something to occur naturally? nature is another word for the universe. So the universe came from the universe?
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