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Message 3 of 44 (302333)
04-08-2006 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
04-08-2006 9:29 AM


So, how does "Intelligent Design" explain all the bad design carried by viruses and other {vector\delivery} systems?
The Fall of course. Original sin.

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Message 5 of 44 (302336)
04-08-2006 10:31 AM
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04-08-2006 10:30 AM


Re: heh
I don't suppose there's any need to say it in scientific work, only in answer to a question such as RAZD's.

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Message 7 of 44 (302342)
04-08-2006 10:42 AM
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04-08-2006 10:40 AM


Re: So the alleged Fall is part of ID?
I don't know what the "ID mechanism" is, but I thought I'd seen various IDers say they believe in the Fall. But if not, then this is only a YEC's answer to why there are disease-causing agents in the world -- or susceptibility to them or both, and YEC's certainly believe all things were intelligently designed even if we don't agree with the IDers.

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Message 10 of 44 (302350)
04-08-2006 10:56 AM
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04-08-2006 10:52 AM


This is of course the YEC reason for bad design.
This means that using it for ID equates ID with YEC.
At least on this one point -- if IDers believe in the Fall and as I said I thought I'd seen that they do. If not, my mistake. But I've agreed with many things IDers have written here. There is lots of overlap between ID and YEC.

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Message 14 of 44 (302389)
04-08-2006 12:20 PM
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04-08-2006 12:10 PM


God cursed the entire Creation for the sake of man when man fell from grace. Death and disease of all kinds entered at that point and affected all living things from then on.

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Message 16 of 44 (302399)
04-08-2006 12:41 PM
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04-08-2006 12:37 PM


I'm confused are you or are you not ID? If you beleive in GOD, then how can you be unbiass towards other exlanations? Evolution is consistant and testable - that's (partly) why it's science, on the other hand you (not specificaly - but ID in general) seem to zig zag between the evidence (non consistent) and fill the gaps with scripture (not testable).
I am YEC, not ID. I disagree with much of ID as I've encountered it here at EvC, but I've also not studied it. I dispute that (macro)evolution is testable, and therefore I dispute that it is science, but I am not going to get into this here.
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Message 27 of 44 (302544)
04-08-2006 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Quetzal
04-08-2006 8:23 PM


Why design a bug whose massive (in the sense that it's wayyyy more than needed for a bug) DNA contains ten million three nucleotide repeats? Obviously someone was asleep at the switch.
Curious about this bug. How much of its DNA is of the sort called "junk DNA"?

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Message 36 of 44 (302666)
04-09-2006 5:04 PM
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04-09-2006 11:55 AM


I know there are problems understanding what junk DNA is, I did just want to know how much of this non-coding stuff this bug has, in comparison with the proportion in other genomes that have less of the coding stuff than this highly genetically endowed bug has. So if you do run across the actual number, I'd like to know. Thanks.

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