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Author Topic:   What is the Climax of the Hebrew Bible?
jaywill
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Message 31 of 34 (297956)
03-24-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by DeclinetoState
03-24-2006 4:12 PM


Re: Climax of Old Testament
Keeping the mountain analogy going here, you may notice that on some mountains, there's a gradual climb to the summit on one side, but a very sharp dropoff on the other. This was the situation in Israel, I think. The peak during the reigns of David and Solomon were followed by a fairly rapid decline that began in the last years of Solomon's reign and continued almost immediately with the division of the kingdoms starting with Rehoboam and Jeroboam.
That's a good answer. And one which I wasn't expecting.
So you think that the people under Rehoboam were remembering and complaining unreasonably? Had they just become too spoiled?

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DeclinetoState
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Message 32 of 34 (297961)
03-24-2006 10:16 PM
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03-24-2006 9:49 PM


Spoiled?
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So you think that the people under Rehoboam were remembering and complaining unreasonably? Had they just become too spoiled?
Hard to say. One of my complaints about the way history (Bible as well as secular) is presented is that you often learn about what the "movers and shakers"--kings, top military leaders, etc.--did, but you usually don't get much of a feel for what daily life was like for the 99.99% of the population who were the common people.

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jaywill
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Message 33 of 34 (298244)
03-26-2006 7:00 AM
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03-24-2006 10:16 PM


Hard to say. One of my complaints about the way history (Bible as well as secular) is presented is that you often learn about what the "movers and shakers"--kings, top military leaders, etc.--did, but you usually don't get much of a feel for what daily life was like for the 99.99% of the population who were the common people.
I know what you mean. Like the general being remembered for some battle victory. More rigorous research has to be done to get down to the level of the soldiers who actually fought and possibly died to win the battle for that general.
But back to the decline from Solomon's temple. It could be that on one level this was on a very high point. But according to deeper purposes of God it had not yet arrived at His perfect will. Both Solomon and God Himself speak that that physical house could not really contain the God of the universe.
So it could have stood as a strong pre-curser or introduction to something else. But whatever else that may be it seems not to have become a historical reality within the time frame of the Hebrew Bible.
We might only be able to know from predictions or prophecies of a future time uttered within that time frame.
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Message 34 of 34 (302429)
04-08-2006 2:43 PM
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03-26-2006 7:00 AM


Perfect will
But back to the decline from Solomon's temple. It could be that on one level this was on a very high point. But according to deeper purposes of God it had not yet arrived at His perfect will. Both Solomon and God Himself speak that that physical house could not really contain the God of the universe.
But what we're talking about is the climax of the O.T., which is not necessarily the same thing as arriving at God's "perfect will" (whatever that means). I don't think we'll find arriving at God's perfect will anywhere in the Hebrew Bible, though Christians will probably assert that we do find it with the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

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