[qs]This is simply wrong.
yes it seems wrong to you because you are disconnecting it from what i posted earlier
There's plenty of serpentine deities or divinities which resist a leader god in a pantheon. I'll cover this later.
and you disconnect what i say from the rest of my posts, i said mortal, not god, i know this, please don't distort what i say, do i have to say things in every post?
In this account I'm refering to, Enki is certainly punished for eating, no matter which way you look at it, so it seems as if it's quite reasonable to conclude that it wasn't supposed to be done in the first place.
i've read plenty of myths where the person is told not to eat from it, but the goddess didn't expect him to eat from it, but she punished him anyway
Besides that, what am I confusing here?
you went from talking about adam and eve to talking about the garden,but i was pointing out that you where talking about the garden suddenly, it confused me when you didn't say anything about the story of the sumerians about adam and eve (can't remember the names they use), ie:they are two different stories that only have a connection after the hebrews borrowed them
Huh? So you're saying that the people who scribed these myths believed they were inventing stories to make themselves feel better?
Umm no i am not saying that, stop putting words in my mouth, i am saying they created stories to connect themselves more with the gods, via having thier gods have very human problems, if you are so well versed in mythology i would think you would know this
By the Babylonian era, as pointed out in the link above, Enki's place was taken by Adapa Uan (the Oannes of Berossus), a human created by Enki as advisor to the first king of Enki's city of Eridu. For example, a 14th century BC tablet refers to Adapa as the seed of humankind.
and this has what to do with the adam and eve story really? so what if it is represented as a serpent what connection is there between it and man in the religion?
The god who offered the food and drink of immortality, by the way was the serpent-god Ningishzida. Keep in mind that the Scriptural account states the serpent offered knowledge, but he also says to Eve that she shall not die.
i understand that link, i never would depute that link, its a common motif in all mythology, its nothing new
Sound familiar?
its a common motif,but its a god and not mortal, nore is it really a snake but a god, my point is its an interesting concept, being a mortal and all
Fine. Point out a passage of the Hebrew Scriptures that says something to the effect of:
how about you act a bit more mature about this then? its a religion of people 3 thousand years ago, you act as if you have zero understanding of religion at all
Yes. I know. I've already read this stuff Rev.
not from what i've been reading
In other words, "making stuff up to make themselves feel better" is not considered a valid answer-- it's not even permitted period. I suspect that, depsite your claims below, you probably will be responding to this again, so let me give you some advice: answers that basically indicate that they were "making stuff up to make themselves feel better" does not get into the mindsets of the cultures they were trying to distance themselves from. Nor does it really help anyone to get a deeper understanding of what religious impulses they were trying to convey.
That isn't my answer that is a mockery of my answer, nor was i talking about the israelites, they have a different mindset than the cultures around them. I would never say "making things up." the cultures the hebrews borrowed stories from didn't want a transient god though
In other words, since you only referenced chaos as a potential candidate in three different contexts (general Semitic relgions, Norse, and then specifically Hebrew itself) it sounded as if you were this saying me-- for the third time now by the way.
sigh, ok fine, here, chaos, represented with the sea which is also reprented by the serpent which is is an icon of chaos, case in point is tiamat
now if that doesn't make any sense to you since that is what books have said for the last 100 years on this, well..
if you really did understand me you wouldn't keep saying i'm wrong over well known mythological figures
or thinking that i think "making things up to make them feel better" when i said they wanted to feel more connected to the gods, well then this will be my last post i think this is a waste of time for me, i like learning but if the other person is just going to distort what i say then no i do not feel like it is worth bothering
{abE:after some thought i realized that it is not worth it to not post in a thread, if one finds it worth debating, but i think i will try to halt my compulsion to post until something interesting comes out of this}
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