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Author Topic:   The Case Against the Existence of God
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Message 147 of 301 (302023)
04-07-2006 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Faith
04-07-2006 12:46 PM


Re: Then why this thread?
Faith, your name says it all. There are certain things that we can say for certain to be true and factual. Mathmatical proofs are impossible to argue with. ie: 1+1=2. If someone wants evidence as to why this is so then it can be expressed in many ways. 1 apple, and then get another apple then you have 2 apples. If something can be shown to occur the same way over and over like the reaction of 1 Hydrogens plus 2 Oxygen make water then it can be expressed mathmatically as well. Or shown physically in a lab.
Now to my point. If I say that I know for a fact that God exist.
Then I must base this knowlege on facts. As a truth It must be somehow expressed in a way that is universally accepted to anyone who would care to inquire.
The problem is that some people do not distinquish what they KNOW to be true from they're beliefs. As far as they are concerned it is not a matter of discussion. There beliefs are beyound reproach. Which is fine. But understand you are dealing with people who do not hold those same beliefs to the same standard that you do.

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1.61803
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Message 154 of 301 (302048)
04-07-2006 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Faith
04-07-2006 1:21 PM


Re: Oh but it is based on fact
Whoa !!! I am not wanting to insult or belittle your position at all Faith. I get the impression you are so use to defending your beliefs that you can not see the other side of the argument.
I was simply stating that you hold your beliefs and knowlege of what is true to a different standard. Thats all. And in so doing will not be adequately able communicate to skeptics and scientific minded people from Missouri.

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1.61803
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Message 267 of 301 (302390)
04-08-2006 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Faith
04-07-2006 2:38 PM


Re: Oh but it is based on fact
Would you please define for the purpose of this argument what your going to use as a definition of facts ?
Stating the existance of a supernatural entity based on facts is well and good. Can you tell me what facts do you have that would convince a independant, non bias panel of scientist or lawyers ?

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1.61803
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Message 298 of 301 (302739)
04-09-2006 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
04-08-2006 12:25 PM


Re: Oh but it is based on fact
Ok Faith. Believing witnesses is all well and good. But the text in question had numerous redactions, copies, translations...the gospels all written decades after the events by non eyewitnesses. Are you aware of this?

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