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Topic: The Results are in...There is a God! - What now?

EZscience

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Message 10 of 159 (303530)
04-12-2006 12:20 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by U can call me Cookie
04-12-2006 9:24 AM

I would figure that, having gotten by this long completely ignoring him and denying his existence, that I could continue on the same way. The only way I could be convinced to worship any god was if there was some concrete evidence of two things.

1. the existence of an afterlife.
2. god's control over your afterlife experience.

Then I might have to reconsider the whole worship thing...
but I still wouldn't go as far as Ms. Flickering Candle.

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Message 12 of 159 (303588)
04-12-2006 4:08 PM

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04-12-2006 3:56 PM

Re: the afterlife

Cookie writes:

That just feels so much like blackmail to me!

That's how the churches keep their pews full.
Fear of an afterlife controlled by a god who demands X,Y, and Z
(according to the priests, anyway).

Religious following is basically founded on fear - fear that the priests might actually be right.

I remember a Muslim ceremony I attended once in English - Nika for a friend of mine who was marrying a muslim.
I couldn't believe how many times the engaged couple were instructed to 'fear God'.

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Message 21 of 159 (303762)
04-13-2006 6:02 AM

Reply to: Message 16 by iano
04-13-2006 5:18 AM

Re: Chiroptera demolishes a straw god

iano writes:

God doesn't demand that you love and trust him. He demands that you be righteous.

Sorry, but I seem to remember all kinds of places in the Bible where we are ordered to LOVE God and OBEY him.

And what the hell does 'righteous' really mean, anyway?
Isn't that just a code of behavior dictated by priests?

iano writes:

He loves you even though you haven't earned it

Any evidence of this? I just don't get that impression. Life seems to have far too many trials and tribulations that we merely survive, often without earning anything.

iano writes:

Your just not willing to pay up.

Neither am I. Not without a better indication of what I am supposed to be paying for.

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Message 30 of 159 (303782)
04-13-2006 7:13 AM

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04-13-2006 6:26 AM

Re: Chiroptera demolishes a straw god

iano writes:

Love you neighbour as yourself.

We could use your help over on the 'immigration' thread.
That's hardly the kind of sentiment we are getting from the most out-spoken Christian on the thread.

iano writes:

We can't afterall, under own power, follow it....The purpose of the law was to make us realise that we cannot keep the law

OK. I have heard this before. So HE sets rules we are unable to follow without HIS help. Isn't that like stacking the deck? Setting us up for failure in order to elicit dependency? Hardly seems fair.

iano writes:

Do you enjoy the smell of coffee?

Got one right now. Good french roast espresso. But I can think a lot of practical (naturalistic) explanations for the existence of all these types of sensation.

iano writes:

If life is bad at times or much of the time, you are pointing the finger at the wrong person.

So we are to thank him for all things pleasurable and blame ourselves for all things that aren't? This seems like real confirmation of Chiroptera's tag line.

iano writes:

If your heart truly wanted more indication then more indication you would recieve.

Well I think with my brain, not my heart,
and my brain is a doubting organ by its nature.
Because of my brain (that god gave me?) I feel compelled to remain in denial of his existence.

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