People aren't the only things responsible for causing pain and suffering. Last time i checked, drought, famine, and disease did a pretty good job of it as well. Not to mention a tsunami or two.
Okay then, you win. People and nature.
So its "Worship me, or I won't let you into my all-new, all-improved
garden"?
No. You mentioned worship in the O.P. Not me.
Infact, I think if you have no sin and forgiveness of sins, then yu are allowed in, as far as I can read in the bible.
As RAZD pointed out, religion has resulted in war and divisiveness for millenia.
I didn't mentione religion.
Under the following premisses,(if we assume these are fact) God is not religion;
God created the universe
We are part of the universe who came to know God.
Non-religious people do bad things and good things. Religious people do bad things and good things. One cannot credit religion with only good things
I agree that none religious and religious people do good and bad.
My statement infact said that those who do Godless things must be Godless.(I should have clarified that, my apologies).
Since the things of God are goodness, then the Godless are the ones who do bad (but this doesn't mean the Godless will be bad elementally~).
According to my wisdom, those who act Godlessly are unbelievers, because they can't have God with them(Holy spirit), if they are focusing on evil things. That goes for anyone, claimant believer or none believer.
This doesn't mean that none believers are Godless violent nutbars, as that would affirm the consequent and thus be fallacious. Infact many atheist, if not most, might not be entirely Godless, and might be peaceful.
But ofcourse, it is obvious that if you act Godlessly then you don't have any regard for the ways of God. I don't see how that doesn't follow.
If a thug is beating me about my bonce, he cannot surely hold the ways of God as his upmost priority, otherwise he wouldn't be doing it.
What I'm talking about, is TRUTH. NOT logic. Don't mistake what I talk about for logic. No, I am under the premise that there will be people who are of the truth and people who aren't, otherwise I wouldn't be a believer would I?
If I believed violent people were of the truth, then other believers would think me mad. So ofcourse I believe that God is a God of peace and that those who are contrary to peace, are not of God.
I believe this remember, but under my own premisses, I am correct.
Basically I'm saying, "If my wisdom is true....then, this that and the other".
TTFN.
This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 04-16-2006 02:40 PM