Morality and Subjectivity

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In another thread, now closed, I said this: "the fact that we have no logical ground for any moral rule is what tells us our rules are subjective."

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Now pick one moral rule from our society and show me why it has no logical grounding.Rules evolve whether considered moral or otherwise. Morals are nothing more than proper behavior of a person within a society.Now maybe you consider morals to be concern for human welfare.I feel our society today uses the term both ways.

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Somebody might say, we should treat others as we want to be treated.

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Why should we do that?

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I never thought of that as a moral law in our society. What makes that a moral law?

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So we have yet another rule: We should do that which in the long run is good for everyone.

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Why?

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Again, not something I ever thought of as a moral law. Odds are the thought would be more along the lines of doing what is good for the majority.I guess I think of moral laws as don't murder, don't steal, don't tell falsehoods, etc.Where are you pulling your moral laws from?

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The Golden Rule--that's not a moral rule?

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IMO, it's more of a summation to help a person remember what they shouldn't do.

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Thou shalt not murder.

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Why not? Why shouldn't I murder somebody if I profit by it and get away with it?

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General Definition of Murder: Killing another human for reasons other than self defense or accident.Logical grounding would be in why a civilization would enact such a rule. Self preservation and continuation of the species are two good reasons a society would enact such a ruling.Like I said before, if you live by yourself you do as you please in your place; but if you have a roommate then eventually rules get established.As for why you personally shouldn't murder. Because it is against the laws of our society and you will suffer the consequences.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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People are showing you that there are logical grounds for morals. However, yes, these morals are still subjective.

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Being logical does not equate to being objective.

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Thank you and good luck with RR.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz