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Author Topic:   why DID we evolve into humans?
crashfrog
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Message 194 of 231 (304592)
04-16-2006 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Malachi-II
04-10-2006 3:22 PM


Re: Why did we evolve?
Equally there is no doubt that humankind and the entire universe are God’s creation.
Well, I doubt it.
No, seriously. Maybe you've heard of people like me? They're called "atheists", or sometimes "agnostics." Basically we're people who demand a somewhat greater burden of proof be met than just some dude on the internet telling us "there is no doubt."

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crashfrog
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Message 199 of 231 (304670)
04-16-2006 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Malachi-II
04-16-2006 2:08 PM


Re: Why did we evolve?
Unless I'm mistaken I thought these forums were about exchanging ideas and beliefs without having to prove anything.
No, actually, the forum is to explore the controversy between evolution and creationism. This particular topic is in the category of "human origins", which refers to the sciences of paleontology and anthropology (and obviously to their union, paleoanthropology) in regards to the specific origins and history of the human species and its precursors.
Some people may have had a personal experience that can never be scientifically proven but was evident enough to have changed their perspective.
I don't get why that seems so reasonable to you that you don't feel the need to defend that. Things that actually happen leave evidence. If we experience something for which there is no evidence, that's a pretty good reason to question the authenticity of the experience.
I mean, every one of us experiences hallucinations every night. Literally, we experience events - often with incredible realism, clarity, and a sense of authenticity - that aren't actually occuring. Is it so unreasonable for someone, then, to be skeptical of an apparently authentic event for which there was no evidence?
In such instances, can anyone say their experience was false or unreal?
Well, I think I pretty much did. There's a whole host of explanations for why someone would have an experience that "proves" to them that there's a God; almost every alternate explanation is considerably simpler and therefore much more reasonable than the proposition "there actually is a God."
Can we allow for possibilities of phenomena that can not yet be universally demonstrated?
Sure. But that's hardly a reason to abandon the tentative conclusion that they don't happen, or to stop reasoning from that premise.

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crashfrog
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Message 204 of 231 (304922)
04-18-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Malachi-II
04-18-2006 3:29 AM


Re: Why did we evolve?
Yes. I will argue that it is unreasonable to dismiss any event unless or until it can be independently authenticated.
That's hardly my position. Perhaps you don't understand what is meant by "skepticism"? Skepticism is merely the position that we don't rush to judgement about something in the absence of any evidence for or against it. Not that we rush to dismiss the stuff we don't have ironclad proof for.
But, nontheless, some "experiences" are so out of the realm of probability given our current understanding of the universe. So, which is more reasonable to you:
1) Rejecting as tenatively false one single, unsubstantiated report of an experience by one person.
2) Rejecting as tenatively false the rest of our physical knowledge about the universe, which has been verified by countless experiments, on the basis of one single unsubstantiated report of an experience by one person.
“The rational and intuitive are complimentary modes of functioning of the human mind. Rational thinking is linear, focused, and analytic. It belongs to the realm of intellect, whose function it is to discriminate, measure, and categorize. Thus rational knowledge tends to be fragmented. Intuitive knowledge, on the other hand, is based on a direct, nonintellectual experience of reality arising in an expanded state of awareness.” (The Turning Point, p21)
But that's just nonsense. It's devoid of meaning. "An expanded state of consciousness?" Expanded to what? Expanded where? He's using words that sound like they mean something, but it's just the metaphysical hocus pocus words that people have used for centuries to talk about something they don't know anything about.
Capra says, “An increasing number of scientists are aware that mystical thought provides a consistent and relevant philosophical background to the theories of contemporary science, a conception of the world in which the scientific discoveries of men and women can be in perfect harmony with their spiritual aims and religious beliefs.”
What evidence does he present for these claims?
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