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Author | Topic: The Results are in...There is a God! - What now? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5054 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
It is very odd because only on a day like today, and somewhat on 9-11 was it possible to see Ithaca itself as really being IN the world. Seems like other days they are simply out. But today they are nowhere to be found (in general). This seems like good evidence that is in. At least it is as good as that God is out. What now? dont take a trip to the mall.ps- god is out anywhichway!!
This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 04-16-2006 02:37 PM
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
Is this a yo-yo faith we see in Brad.
If it is you're not the only one. I admitt that the very world can seem Godless but Christ says it is doesn't he. I think people just forget how good Christ is at giving correct answers so they find themselves on a path of disbelief, or neither hot nor cold. I only yo-yo once and that has been totally exaggerated as some major conversion to naturalism. The Christ wisdom is correct hypothetically, the theology is logically sound. But people want evidence, so answers aren't enough even if we have good answers.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
and this god actually demands my love and trust, then I would be in trouble -- love and trust are things that are earned, So the very person that gave you the ability to love and trust, you wouldn't. Interesting.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I've made the decision to live my life regardless of whether or not God exists. Simply due to...well, look at the state of the world, not much happiness, cheer and goodwill to go around; at least not what you would expect if a benevolent God was in charge. The bible doesn't promise a smooth ride here on earth, in fact it says the opposite. So there should be no surprises for you. You will, however, feel loved.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5054 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
If you can see THROUGH my ps then you have better eyes than I.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Thanks. If my comments, opinions, and observations weren't interesting to anyone else, there would be no point of my posting, eh? "Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure." -- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4776 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
riVeRraT writes: So the very person that gave you the ability to love and trust, you wouldn't. But God also would've given the ability to distrust, and a universe that doesn't reward gullibility. Looks to me like a stupidity filter.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
But God also would've given the ability to distrust, and a universe that doesn't reward gullibility. Looks to me like a stupidity filter. I am not sure what you mean by that.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dominion Seraph writes: But God also would've given the ability to distrust, and a universe that doesn't reward gullibility. Again, a philosophical issue: Did God give us the ability to distrust, or did we choose to have this right? I really have to read this whole thread before I can make a good reply, however! (Gotta go to work, now!) This message has been edited by Phat, 04-18-2006 03:03 PM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But those who are of the truth Christ spoke about, are not these people. I take a broader view: to me everyone has the right to their own personal pursuit of faith at whatever level they choose. Those who try to force others towards one {religion\belief\dogma\downward spiral} violate this right. This is where the wars come from. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I've made the decision to live my life regardless of whether or not God exists. Simply due to...well, look at the state of the world, not much happiness, cheer and goodwill to go around; at least not what you would expect if a benevolent God was in charge. If God is in control, is that the sort of God you would want to worship? Should God actually be worshipped at all? Hello cookie. I wanted to make a couple points that may or may not be useful to you. A different slant on the issue. If God exists, then it is not your life but His. That is a concept that is offensive to control freaks like human beings. I think we go wrong because we have been given freewill and misinterpret that as being able to do whateveer we want. So a man figures he can start a kingdom, and rule other men, and the next thng you know, we have a wretched existence. You see, a benevolent God is not in control Cookie (not in the sense you indicated)... instead, we are! Now, God is in control in the larger scope. He allows us to have our own way for a time. Only for the purpose of letting us see for ourselves how foolish we are. You asked: if God should be worshipped at all? Only if you think the world is corrupt. God does not command us to worship Him because He is a control freak. That's what we project onto Him. He commands us to worship Him, because we need to worship Him if we are to understand what life is really about. You've made the same mistake we all have at one time or another Cookie... You've been given a responsibility, and when you fail, you blame God for giving you the freedom to choose. Even Adam blamed God... for putting the woman here with him. Notice you blame the state of things on others by implication. And now you use that as an excuse to live 'however the hell you feel like'. What about you? Ah scapegoats! It's always easier to blame someone else and nail them to a cross. But if your son was going to be run over by a truck (even though it was because of his own ignorance), would you push him out of the way at the expense of your own physical life? God did! All of this, because we deny that life is more than physical and emperical. Jesus not only preached that life's essence is Spirit and not material, he proved Himself. He lived it. He didn't condemn that which is already condemned... Instead, He led by example. Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3619 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
U Cookie postulated that we learn for a fact of the existence of a God. He did not stipulate what kind of God. It is interesting--a bit too convenient--that so many have assumed that any deity we discovered would correspond to known Judeo-Christian models.
But there are any number of Gods we might find. What if the God he found was Marduk? Guan Gung? Ra? The Triple Morrigan? Something previously unknown? Would scottness get down on his knees and worship Marduk, his creator? Or would he be a 'control freak' who tries to fit the Source of Life into a box that conforms to his past patterns of belief--at least, until Marduk (praised be he) finally leads him to realize how futile all this is? Food for thought. Under the circumstances, call it a candy cane. Merry Christmas to all. Edited by Archer Opterix, : evolutionary processes. Archer All species are transitional.
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Jon Inactive Member |
There are many things that have been left unadressed here. You say that this god would be in control, and that it/he/she would be benevolent. However, would you have proof that this god MUST be in control? An entity with supreme power still reserves the right to refuse involvement in the world. And why would that detract from said entity's benevolence?
Would there be any consequences from not worshipping this god? Perhaps it is not the Christian god; perhaps (being so careless to the suffering of the world) she/he/it also doesn't give a damn whether or not we worship him/it/she. And, maybe he/she/it does care, but perhaps has no methods in place for punishing those who refuse worshipping, and no rewards set in place for those who do worship. Really, one would need far more information before making any decision about what to do with the discovery of a supreme deity. Do you have it? J0N
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: If God exists, then it is not your life but His. If God gives us the gift of life, it is no longer His.
You've been given a responsibility, and when you fail, you blame God for giving you the freedom to choose. If God gives us free will, He forgoes the right to punish us for using it. In this season of giving, we should try to understand what a gift is. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo writes: If God gives us free will, He forgoes the right to punish us for using it. Not necessarily. God may have the ability to control all aspects of reality, but that does not mean He is obligated to do so. Lemme try a parable. If I had a fishie and I gave my fish free will to be able to jump out of the confines of the living environment that I provided for him, would I scold him if he lay gasping for air on the table next to the tank? Indeed, I would expect that the fish would eventually do such an acrobatically defiant act! If you say that God should waive the right to punish us if we exercise free will outside the parameters of His environment, I would agree---with the stipulation that we also forgo the right to blame God if our best laid independent thoughts lead us into quicksand. Some folks say that we are under no obligation to acknowledge God even if He does exist. These same folks would then have no room to blame God for the evils and misfortunes that plague society.
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