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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
It may or may not be THE only path or the right one.
its the only one science has unless you can find something that can stand up to the questions people ask
That may have been the case but we have no way of knowing. We assume A leads to B and think within that framework. It may in fact but there is far too much assumption and far more that we do not know. We do know, through studing the structures of fossils and how they relate, plus the studies we do on current life that shows evolution in actiondo you think scientists think they know everything? or do you think they make stuff up to make everything fit?
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
You are to have me believe because humans call themselves scientists I am to bow and accept a theory as something more than it is? That would hardly be scientific of me. You are just humans with ideas and falible as the rest of us. It's almost as if by calling the theory of evolution exactly what it is....I have offended people. Theories, even popular ones have been wrong or only partly correct far more often than they have ever been right. You are to have me believe because humans call themselves scientists I am to bow and accept a theory as something more than it is? That would hardly be scientific of me. You are just humans with ideas and falible as the rest of us. It's almost as if by calling the theory of evolution exactly what it is....I have offended people. Theories, even popular ones have been wrong or only partly correct far more often than they have ever been right.
I'm sorry but where did i say you had to do this? I said unless there is a Theory that explains things better than ToE, the ToE is what there is. to add on to this if you are willing to accept what science says then why not the ToE unless it had nothing to do with the thoery and more to do with conflicting with your beliefs, then its not about science at all
It's almost as if by calling the theory of evolution exactly what it is....I have offended people.
what are you talking about? I think everyone can agree its a theory, to argue this would be silly. But it appears to me that there is a large number of people who have decided that thoery = not factual or not what really happened, or using a difinition that makes the ToE not truthful in thier minds, from this post i think you may fall into this groupwell guess what? a theory is what everything is in science if you havn't learned this then umm.. read a book
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I don't believe I ever mentioned my beliefs.
i didn't say anything about your beliefs, i was talking about why a person might decide not to believe the theories that science has produced, one being religious, the other, just plain unwillingness
I never was much of a follower. We also have a habbit of filling in the gaps in data with our own, based on our take.
oh really, so now you would say that scientists are making stuff up then? lets see some evidence that they are. You really have no clue about science at all, if people make stuff up its really a bad thing to do if you want to be considered legit
What "science" says...comes from people. If other people choose to let evidence lead them to thier own conclusions that is thier business. I will be my own judge. Theory has nothing to do with fact. That is why it is called a thoery.
what the hell do you think a theory is then? it seems you think scientists sit around and make stuff up to create something out of thin air, sorry but no, a theory is a frame work of facts to explain things.
A theory is a human interpretation of data
All science is a interpretation of data, so what? are you just going to cherry pick what theories you feel are right and wrong? are you going to say Newtons theories are right but GR isn't? or QM is right bit Chaos theory isn't?
There are still far too many questions in my mind about the developement of life on earth for me to adhere to one strict interpretation of data.
There is only one scientific thoery that fits all the facts we have, it is the ToE, so far no one has come up with anything that answers the questions put forth, if you have questions go look and see if the ToE has answered them, it doesn't sound like you have looked that hard
It is my theory that we will never come close to knowing the full picture.
when we find evidence that adds to the stability of the theory that also adds to the picture, plus you are using theory wrong which is part of the problem for you.
To tout a particular species as a missing link without knowing all the facts is premature.It is one tiny picture in a mozaic we still do not know the nature of. It appears to be a transition species which may or may not be the case. Time will tell...
i think you need to read up on how scientists analyze the data they have on species, that includes fossils. Because from this post it sounds like you really don't know much about it
. And the search for answers to questions that lead to more questions will continue.
there will always be questions,thats not the problem i see, the problem i see if people looking for answers in wrong places
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
The thing is it says why they accept this theory they have evidence of the symbiosis
This is not a fact but a generally accepted belief. I do not mention this to "debunk" anything but simply to show that we do tend to assume.
how do you know this not a fact? do you have evidence that this is wrong?
This is an interesting interpretation of data. Have we seen anything of this nature occure in the lab? I have read several articles on endosymbiosis and they assume many things.
your page has examples go read them
This is a theory to explain a transition. Not fact. Data is being interpreted based on the framework of this theory. It may be a correct interpretation but there is still much we do not know.
its a theory on where the nuclei in cells came from. it is made up of facts - you still are using the terms wrong
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Or the third...Accepting it for what it is...a human interpretation of data. Weather or not it is an accurate interpretation is still being determined. If you have mistaken a theory for fact that is your choice.
Pure strawman arguement, no one ever said it wasn't created by humans, but to accept science you have to accept what we have found and build on it, not say "gee it doesn't make sense to me, it must be wrong or false"Now you mentioned a nasty little thingy called belief. To believe in such an animal as a theory requires faith. That is indeed a whole other topic. i never said anything like theory = fact i said, theorys explain facts and information, if you think theories are considered facts you have no clue about science. Evolution is a fact, the THEORY of evolution explains evolution and how it works, if you do not understand this then i have cause to weep for this world. Now you mentioned a nasty little thingy called belief.
as in accept
To believe in such an animal as a theory requires faith. That is indeed a whole other topic.
ok so i guess the law of gravity is out, since it is a THEORY, go walk off a building then.
Hmm...I think you need to relax a little. Seems almost like you revere "scientists" as something more than people. Akin to the reverece or respect a religios follower gives a religious leader simply because of thier training and title. Yer kinda skeerin me there.
no, I am getting frustrated with your distortion of science. why would i be scareing you? thats me getting frustrated with your lack of comprehesion.Do I question the "authority" ? Damn right I do. Someone has to or we all follow the leader like little sheepies. I'm not revering anyone i am saying that theories with evidence to back them up shouldn't be handwaved away because you have this general need to show you arn't a sheep. You have yet to give any reasons for why you don't accept a well defined theory other than this silliness Well yeah. They are thoeries and nothing more. They are not facts but interpretations of data that are there to be molded and shaped..torn down and rebuilt...added to or debunked. That is how it works.
as i have said theories are explainations of facts, the ToE is a theory of evolution if you can come up with a better one then do sobut handwaving it is just plain willfull ignorance. Your understanding of science needs some work, saying They are thoeries and nothing more
is just dismissing a major part of science, and is amazing in its absurdity
Beauty ain't it
considering how you distort science, no
Yes without a doubt. The other is interpreting the data to fit a preconcieved view. I would love see or perhaps do a study on the politics of science and it's effects on theories and conclusions. Data is data, people will be people and there is much we do not know.
have any evidence that scientists do this? a qualified scientist wouldn't do this. If you know about theories you would know that a scientist who doesn't allow others to test his work would shoot his integrity down, science is self correcting, so i doubt real researchers out to produce unbias science would be that effected
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
You still confuse fact with theories
Noun 1. scientific fact - an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)observation - facts learned by observing; "he reported his observations to the mayor" theory - A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. you dismiss a theory based on what exactly? i still do not understand thisit seems that you are not using the terms right and giving them strawman meanings rather than using them correctly this is how it works Evolution is the phenomena, the ToE is the theory that explains it, thoeries are not considered facts they construct a frame work around facts - you are making a creo strawmanyou need to go read more on science and how it works because you don't seem to have any understanding of how thoeries work here's a good site Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
You are just not happy that I am not gleefully willing to wholeheartedly accept the "moral majorities" View of the interpretation of observable information. Where is there the rule that I have to give you or anyone else some other explanation to cling to..so that it somehow will make you comfortable that I do not agree?
No, i see only a person who disagrees to disagree, at least the creos have reasons, even crazy ones, you have nothing. Your basis is pointless and useless if you have nothing to replace it with.
There are many fundamental questions that we have not come close to answering. In thier place we theorise and fill the gaps. Though this is hypothetically interesting it is still fiction.
how about you go read about the subjects instead of making basless claims, saying this junk makes you intellectually dishonest
One thing I am good at is observing how people work. That is the source of all the material that requires my hip boots. I will always start with the assumption that we are wrong or inclined to see things our way. With us it is a good place to start. We are arrogant and egotistical. We are prone to many behavioural pitfalls. A scientist is a human first. For anyone to suggest that science is "above" or apart from our shortcomings I cannot and will not take seriously. Incorrect assumptions based on interpretations of "facts" have been touted by a majority many times throughout history. It is a simple fact of being human. I do not believe there will ever come a time when we cease to prove ourselves wrong and learn. That is how I approach a theory first. Given the source I happen to think it wise.
the arrogance you show, shows only your misunderstanding of science and how it works, and you misunderstand what i say.
My real beef is when we begin to treat a theory as something more than it is. We place emotions and passions into upholding it..... become upset when someone reminds us what a theory is.
do you bother reading my posts or are you just ranting? My beef is your distorting science and how it works, to make it look like a joke.
We can have a theoretical interpretation that fits the facts as they are at the time of the thoery. Then we learn something that requires us to rethink the theory.
good to see you know more than you have shown you do, this is how it works
I do not "believe" we yet know near enough about the process of life coming to be on earth to make the many assumptions we have.
abiogenesis is not really explored yet, this has nothing to do with evolution
But then there is the question of DNA itself and how it came to be.
ask the biochemists
This leads to the question...what came first? the instructions or the working model? lol
there is a working framwork for this its abiogenesis, go read about it i think your beef has little to do with science but your lack of knowlege about it, if these are your questions they are answered enough for a start
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4136 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
It was me, i gave up on this when i realized i was saying the samething over and over again without any really response.
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