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sidelined
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Message 7 of 165 (295933)
03-16-2006 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DeclinetoState
03-16-2006 2:15 AM


Decline toState
From the Blueletterbible site we have these definitions for spirit
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit
a) breath
b) wind
1) of heaven
2) quarter (of wind), side of mental acts
2) rarely of the will
3) as seat especially of moral character
g) Spirit of God, the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
1) as inspiring ecstatic state of prophecy
2) as impelling prophet to utter instruction or warning
3) imparting warlike energy and executive and administrative power
4) as endowing men with various gifts
5) as energy of life
6) as manifest in the Shekinah glory
7) never referred to as a depersonalised force
And these from the same site for soul
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
b) living being
c) living being (with life in the blood)
d) the man himself, self, person or individual
e) seat of the appetites
f) seat of emotions and passions
g) activity of mind
1) dubious
h) activity of the will
1) dubious
i) activity of the character
1) dubious
It would seem that the definitions is/are pliable one/s meant to apply to many different concepts and quite open to interpretation by those who wish to apply it.
I think it is not a hard and fast rule but range of applications made by people who wanted to apply it to the thing they were assesing rather than apply a defined concept to something it was not intended for to begin with.
Spirit is also used as soul is to describe a continuence after death in Ecc 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
So I suppose you can choose either one to apply to whatever strikes your fancy in the moment.

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Message 25 of 165 (305700)
04-21-2006 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Bashier Ahmed
04-21-2006 2:24 PM


Re: Thanks! Evidence of the Soul
Bashier Ahmed
A child remembers about his previous birth experiences. He knows his name, his father's & mother's name & the names of relatives & in some cases the names of his killer.
CAre to back up this assertion with actual case files?
This is not one case but I myself read some of the cases in newspaper.
Oh well why did you not mention that right off the bat? If it was in a newspaper the validity of the claim must be without question.
There is two possiblities: 1) He simply tells his imaginatin which affected by stories, movies, tv, reading etc. 2) He is a lier.
3 he is delusional 4 he is chemically imbalanced in the brain 5 he sincerely believes such to be the ase but has not critically examined his experience.
I briefly tell you the another evidence. That is, a person saved from death & then he remembers his experience during his death process.
This is not an evidence but a assertion and not a particularly good one at that.
Above two cases are not direct but atleast indirect evidences of soul. These must be studied with the sincere efforts.
Sorry friend but anecdotal recitations are not evidnece but opinion

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Message 55 of 165 (305844)
04-22-2006 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by smak_84
04-21-2006 5:41 PM


Re: "Soul" is the best word I think
smak_84
For starters the soul is the philosophical form of the human being.
In the context of this statement of yours, just what is meant by philosophical?
For starters the soul is the philosophical form of the human being. The soul is an immaterial thing which is the first and most basic organizing principle within each living being.
Really? SO how do you arrive at the conclusion that something is immaterial exactly? How does an immateial "thing" organize a living physical being?
Further the philisophical form is the determing element which enters into the basic physical makeup of all physical things.
Again, what makes you think this is the case? How does something immaterial {your words} have any effect upon your physical makeup since this is material?
It is that principle by which you live, move, and think (rationally).
Okay, now we have the soul being a principle ,which I assume,is what is meant by Philosophical form. This unfortunately does not clarify a thing. Perhaps you could shed some light on this?
The soul is essentially (as in it is part of what makes a human a human) united to the body.
So how did you arrive at this conclusion sir? In what way is it united ? Exactly how do you unite things which are mutually exclusive one of the other? This is like saying that black is united to white. This is a fallicious stance in that each is the opposing definition of the other.
. Further, the occurance called death is the separation of the soul from the body (observe that if we do not enbalm the body it will return to the base elements after it rots).
You have not made a case for the existence of a soul and thus to make further conjectures about the properties of something you have not shown to follow from a well constructed arguement is pointless and arrogant to boot. Also could you explain please what the latter staement about rotting of the body has to do with the former statement on death and the soul? I assume you placed this here as though there were an obvious connection of some sort.
So in a sense it is the "breath of life." It is that which makes us human beings alive.
You have a funny I dea of what constitutes sense in the context you have presented here. If you would be so kind ,perhaps you could make some actual logically consistent and properly evidenced presentation to allow us some insight into what you really mean to say.

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Message 95 of 165 (306755)
04-26-2006 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by lfen
04-26-2006 12:45 PM


Re: ifen
Ifen
I have chosen energy because as I understand it fundamentally all we can say about what matter is is that it can transform into energy per the E equals mc squared expression.
This is not correct since the equation E=Mc^2 is an equivalence expression between mass and energy. This is to say that energy and mass are two sides of the same coin.

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Message 122 of 165 (448251)
01-12-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Buzsaw
01-12-2008 5:26 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Buzsaw
The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
Except that there is no genetic contribution left from that man in any of the possible descendants alive today.

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