animals on the ark

Uh uh uh... forgetting the raven, are we? There were at least two "kinds" of bird on the ark.And Leviticus mentions several more "kinds" of birds. If a kind is "carved in stone" like the creationists claim, those "kinds" must have been on the ark too.The ark is getting "kind" of crowded, don't you think?(By the way, if you really are a "boolean", shouldn't you be posting nothing but TRUE or FALSE? )

---

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

hmmm if there were micro evolution in such a small amount of time, it makes you wonder how the doves could survive in desert heat to evolve into a bird such as an eagle for example, or the extreme cold to become a sea albatross in the antartic.Also, if you calculate the permutations of birds breeding each season which after 4500 years or so from 2 birds, there would be not enough time allowed to pass to create the millions of birds alive toady.I am also amazed how ants can travel from the ark to spread all around the world in such a short period! even australia! maybe the aboriginies introduced them....nevermind the fact that christians deny evolution in the first place!

You forget that many christians hold to the belief that there were mats of floating vegetation able to sustain gobs of species. (Plus: birds float )

Some Christians. Only some Christians. They are the ones that promote creating Ghettos of Holy Ignorance, of Burma Shave Theology, of worship of a picyune little bling-bling pimp daddy god.Most Christians have no problems with Evolution and know that the Flood never happened.

---

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course, you and I know that everything outside the ark perished, so the veggie-mat hypothesis is nonsense.

---

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

yet, perhaps the animals contained seeds of plants and/or water vegetation in there faeces.hmmm, still doesnt explain how a dove can adapt so quickly so such harsh conditions around the world. Especially when most of these places dont have any of the food they eat!

Are you talking year-long constipation?

---

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

nope im talking about simple botanical germination. the seeds can last for years, even thousands

That's not the point. You said, "perhaps the animals contained seeds of plants and/or water vegetation in there faeces." How long would the feces last? - i.e. where would it be during the year-long confinement in the ark?

---

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

most likely in the soil the faeces dropped into. Dont you think he took soil with him? most classes of animals require some form of soil for feeding etc, and the faeces help the plants grow. which in turn feed the animal...........all on a 400 foot ark

That would certainly up the cargo tonnage, wouldn't it? You'd need enough to soak up all the sewage.Noah must have invented pants - you can't wear hip-waders with a robe.More and more complications. No wonder the creationists don't like to concern themselves with the details.

---

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

well i guess tonnage wasnt an issue when you're carring every animal phylum known to man on a 400 foot boat...

quote:

---

maybe some enlightened one (the all-faithful creationist) could tell us how many species were on the ark, and explain their reasoning...

---

Actually, the problems listed are the least of the problems of the
Noah tale. You can't have only two of everything and expect to restore these species. The population is so low that the chance that subsequent generations will inbreed is almost 100%, which would lead to most of the offspring having genetic problems and deformities and wouldn't survive. A viable breeding population includes thousands of animals. Imagine trying to fit 5,000 of every animal on the planet on a boat, no matter how loosely you define a kind. And this fact of genetics would pertain to the eight human survivors as well. We wouldn't have made it either.When a population hits a low point and begins to inbreed it is known as a bottleneck. The thing about bottlenecks is that they are seen in the genes. If Noah's story were true we would predict that all animals would have the same bottleneck, but we don't, Pandas have one 34,000 years ago and we have one 70,000 years ago.This is a piece of physical evidence that would be in place if Noah's tale happened, and it isn't there. The other piece of physical evidence is the nonexistant geology. One would think that if such an event occurred that it would leave a major global uniform deposit, yet no such deposit exists. Two pieces of physical evidence that would have to be in place for us to even entertain the idea of this event and neither is there. This event never happened! Period! End of story!

Hi Cactus, welcome to EvC.You're making a lot of good posts - thanks for your input. However, as a suggestion for future reference, you just might want to check out the date stamp on the posts to which you are responding. In this case, ol' quicksink hasn't even posted once on this message board since 10 april, 2002. There's no restriction about resurrecting old threads, of course. However, you're likely to get a better response from our creo friends if you pick a more recent post.Again, welcome to EvC.

never mind that where did all the water come from ?? yes it rained but where did the water evaporate from to make the clouds ?and where did it go ?
if it evaporated that make one big cloud ...even the worst melting ice cap models do not show the whole earth under water .