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simple  Inactive Member |
Creationism is really an American phenomena, it spreads like McDonald's around the world. While Europe ignores it, it seems that in Asia it would gain a stronghold.
Turkish creationist personality Harun Yahya with his 'Science Research Foundation' has a strong network, backed by the network of quote: Excellent. I don't think it is science that these people have to worry about. It is a system of belief and anti beliefs wrapped in science in some countries.
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quote: True. But they do not call such solid evidence science. It isn't in with the scientific in crowd's deciding what is knowledge, and science and what is not.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: Science increases certain knowledge, not all.
quote: Thank you. Normal beliefs come in many flavors. One of them is science. At least some parts of science. What is allowed and acceptable in some countries as "science" seems to be an anti God flavored concoction. If Turkey or other places were less restrictive, all the better.
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quote:Well, science is a funny little thing. It does not apply to everything. Just our natural world. If we were to think there was nothing else, why, we might find connecting the dots was difficult. AS apparently you do. quote:If one had an anti belief, it would be a belief that was opposed to another belief. quote: What parts aren't?
quote:Well, it would need a complete change of criteria acceptance for one thing. It would have to deal with more than just our natural world, for another. So many changes would be needed. quote:I am. This message has been edited by relative, 04-27-2006 01:02 AM
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: Sometimes these things are confused.
quote:Was there a point somewhere? quote:It was not that. It was an observation. quote: Some knowledge is better not increased.
quote: Depends on the context.
quote: Oh. I thought the teachings in question in Korea and places had something to do with orgins.
quote:Leave that up to the majority of the country. Your opinion of best, may be your own. quote: OK. That evolution did not start from creatures that were created.
quote:I know. quote: Thats what you think.
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quote:The stuff taught in foreign schools you don't like? I would think it has some knowledge, like the stuff taught in your country. quote:Belief in God is verified by many, they feel. Simply doubting it doesn't make it go away. It is more certain than some other areas of knowledge. quote:Take your own advice and actually say something clear you think needs answering. quote:Godless knowledge is better not increased. WOMD knowledge is better not increased. Standards? I am with those who allow Jesus and prayer in schools, and to hell with those that don't like it. quote:Knowledge we have covers the present. It does not cover God, or the future. I like knowledge of the present. I like knowledge of God. The pretended knowledge of the future men have is not science. Regardless of what you believe. quote:The past, as some are now starting to understand was nothing like the present, and no present laws apply there. For your dating to work, those laws would have to apply. You have no clue if the past was totally different, as the bible indicates, or not. All you might offer is belief to suggest otherwise. quote:The theory of evolution from a common lifeform, rather than from created creatures is absolute pure, uncut belief. An adapting, and evolving in itself is a belief I share. Try and tie it to the common lifeform, and you crash and burn. quote:No thanks. The forum there is a science forum, and the deck on this forum is stacked. Maybe if it was in the coffee house. quote:All parts of science that you try to apply to the future are beliefs. quote:Not true. All we have is a record of what died and fossilized. Not any indication all creatures evolved from 'lower' life forms. That is your interpretaion I in no way share, as do not millions of others. quote:We know nothing of the sort. The past was different, and all your assumptions are wrong on dates, sorry to break the news. quote:The life was here at that time. It just was in Eden. That's why it isn't found worldwide. Just certain creatures and plants were made for the earth at large. quote:Yes. The majority should have sway in matters of belief. You believe the past was the same as now, but you can't call it science. The evidence works both ways. Beyond the present, lies just belief. Let the majority belief be in the schools. quote:You don't tell me what science really is. It really is this natural world. How long it was like it is, or will remain that way is guesses, and belief. That is all that is used to try to talk of things out of the fishbowl of the present. Absolutely.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote: Below what? I think you may be clearly confused. As for beliefs that are connected with science, some of them are anti God. That qualifies them as anti. Such as claims the earth is old. Or that God did not create us.
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quote:More than you know. as little as that may be. quote:I wouldn't know, but since you seem well versed in the concept, I'll take your word for it! quote:Different than yours. quote: No, I didn't say that. But silly speculations on the future you might want to call science is not verifiable. Neither is your claims of the past. Science lives in the here and now.
quote:If you call "capable" being able to silence opposing voices perhaps. That is the only hope they have here. quote:Oh goody. Then you can do what you claim on this question I will pose. The bible says that this universe will pass away one day. It is temporary. Can you say that is wrong, or correct? Hopefully you were not just lying. Fill us in. quote:Great. Can you provide evidence that the sun will burn out, rather than last forever, in the new heavens as the bible states? Let's see you strut your stuff here. There have been whole threads debunking the efforts of the 'spiritually inclined' to equate science to a 'belief system'. [/quote]
I don't do that. I equate the false beliefs of the past and future you might call science as the belief.
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quote:Says who? This is about what it is about, not what you dictate. quote: Take it as chop suey if you want. I'll take it that the question if there ever was one was vague.
quote:Great, so next time they say our galaxy will crash into another, or the sun burn out one day, I'll keep it in mind. I like real prophesy, like in the bible. It is so much better than ignorance and beliefs. It is so right on, and 100 % true so far, that there isn't hardly any belief required. More like history. quote:Great, eh? quote:I don't know much about religion, so you'll have to work through your own problems. quote:My personal feelings have nothing to do with it. It is the word of God, and the huge limits of science that give me authority. quote:So what? Are you insinuating most men are mad? quote:Belief is religion. Projecting present science in the past or future is belief. It is taught in schools. There are many beliefs. The majority one should be taught. quote:This post is too long, I'll cut it off here. There was no radioactive decay in the past. There will be none in the fiuture. The daughter material you see you think decayed was already there, as the decay process began thousands of years ago. It never got there by decay, and of course we know it now does. But the process itself changed, it never used to be a decay process at all.
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simple  Inactive Member |
??? Why is this stuff supposed to be a reply to me?
Later on====Oh, I see what is going on here, they tar whisper with the simple brush. Now I have been around a bit. There was a 'dad; over on christianforums who posted I think it was said as one of the 'simple's' here at one time. He would be the one to take care of Razd, not me. Edited by whisper, : No reason given.
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