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Author Topic:   'Intelligent design': What do scientists fear?
ReverendDG
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Message 24 of 38 (302675)
04-09-2006 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jman
04-09-2006 4:44 PM


because it is trying to be pushed as science when it is really religion
the question of the designer comes down to being god in the end, we can not test god or find evidence of his workings, we can not use ID to predict anything
it does not provide us with answers that the ToE doesn't, nor is it a real theory with working definitions, no one seems to be able to define complexity but its used in arguments agenst the ToE
it is a wedge to get religion in science where it doesn't need to be

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ReverendDG
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Message 36 of 38 (307251)
04-28-2006 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by inkorrekt
04-27-2006 8:19 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
I did not do this. This had been politicalized long before I came into this forum.Yes, "Junk" Scientists only need the political platform. Those who wanted to kill lives in the name of Stem /cell research have politicalized this issue. Same is true on Abortion, Euthanasia etc. Logic and reasoning have been overpowered by Junk Scientists and politicians in Academics and industry.
No, it is the religious right who started this. claiming that stem cell research is murdering of children, when its not, there is no life to begin with. the right, rather than researching and funding research took to the goverment and demanded that research that could save lives be stopped. Not over something they have evidence of but thier beliefs.
its just like abortion and euthanasia, neather is about verifible things but based on personal beliefs and enforcement of them
Logic and reasoning have been overpowered by Junk Scientists and politicians in Academics and industry
the only junk science is the science produced by the groups that want to stop progress and enforce thier beliefs

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ReverendDG
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Message 38 of 38 (308087)
04-30-2006 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by inkorrekt
04-30-2006 5:33 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
We are pursuing adult stem cell research. We do not have to kill another human being to save some one using embryonic stem cells.
sounds to me from an earlier post that you are saying it is, why say if we are pursuing adult stem cell research instead of embryonic, we arn't killing another life, sounds like a round about way of saying embryonic stem cell research is killing of children
When the sperm fertilizes the egg, all the processes of cell multiplication and division proceed. If there is no life, how will these processes occur? Once the embryo is formed, it has life. you cannot refute this. If you refute this, this is not science.
i never once said this nonsense, of course its alive being alive doesn't make it a person though, we eat beef, and pork but we feel no remorse because it was alive
We do not have any definition of life so far. But, all that we have is the information about the characteristics of life and living organisms.
that seems to me to have some sort of defintion, part of a definition would be the characteristics of life
Yes, if you assume that the embryo has no life, then murdering anyone at any stage of life is allowed.Euthanaisa is also allowed. This is where we have problem. Leave alone religion. This is science and common sense issue.
i'm not sure what you are talking about? i don't think i ever said the embryos aren't alive. euthanaisa has to do with this?
This is where we have problem. Leave alone religion. This is science and common sense issue.
but most if not all the problems are based on religious reasons, not commonsense ones or science reasons
a person in pvs brought on by a damaging blow to the head is not going to come out of it, commonsense would tell you that the person would not like to live hooked up to mechines for their lifetime or burden thier families, stresswise and moneywise - science would explain that a person would never come out of it so there is no point in keeping them alive, since its fruitless
guess what? people do not use common sense to justify keeping the pvs person alive, its belief or religion that says you can't kill the person, even though they are just basically a breathing hunk of meat wasting your money
they justify the belief, because they see the person twitch or open thier eyes and "look" around, its only a case of lights on but no one is home

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