Does The Flood Add up?

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A Question for everyone: Why would that structure sit on a mountain with snow covered all over if it was not for the flood?

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To keep the snow off of whatever used to be inside it?

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
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It's pretty amusing. About once every 3 years, I hear a report of Noah's ark being discovered. How many arks were there? How many Noah's were there? Or did the flood happen many times?

Even if that "LOKI" (whoever that is and if it is real), appeared to you, you will not believe. You will still be skeptical.

Loki: the trickster god of the Norse pantheon. One of the true gods unlike that imposter credited with the non-existant world-wide flood.

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In the absence of a source, I am assuming that this refers to the alleged discovery on Mt Ararat, descibed here.It is in fact a natural feature, caused by erosion of folded strata. There is a full description of this here, including a photograph that shows not one, but three boat shaped-structures. If you maintain that the Ark has been found, you must either:1: Explain away the other apparant arksor2: Accept multiple (an non-Biblical) arks.

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For Whigs admit no force but argument.

Do you mean that besides the Ark, they also found the two tugboats !!!

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Satellite pictures have shown the Ark with exact dimensions described in the Bible. There is a Scientist couple who had the passion to search for it. They actually went there to Mount Ararat and have collected evidence. He lives in my town. I want to locate them and meet them. A Question for everyone: Why would that structure sit on a mountain with snow covered all over if it was not for the flood?

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There is a natural phenomenon of the brain called pareidollia, which causes familiar shapes to be formed out of randomness. This effect causes animals to be seen in clouds and the "face" on mars. This effect also contributes to virgin marys and jesuses to be seen in a wide variety of mediums from grilled cheese sandwiches to wood to glass and so forth. Pareidollia is why that feature looks Ark shaped to you.
BTW, the wood would have either disintegrated or weathered away by now and the glaciation of these mountains would have destroyed any boats a long time ago, it wouldn't look boat shaped even if it was there.This message has been edited by CACTUSJACKmankin, 04-26-2006 09:51 PM

.If it had been covered by ice for many centuries, then where is microbial disintegration?

Yes, the ice could preserve whatever would be left of the ark,as a result of erosion and decomposition, after it would be destroyed by the retreating and advancing glaciation. There would only be some wood left and the major point is that any remains would not be boat shaped and they certainly wouldn't form a boat-shaped depression in the glacier.There's probably no wood anywhere on that mountain, cause the flood never happened. A global flood would leave a flobal, uniform, geologic deposit layer, which doesn't exist. Also, There can't be two of every animal and a single human family, they'd have gone extinct from the genetic problems caused by tens of generations of inbreeding. In ecology, a population with good genetic diversity is known as a breeding population, that requires several thousand individuals. Try fitting 5,000 of each animal on a boat no matter how loosely you define a kind. The genetic and biologic nail in the coffin is population bottlenecks. A bottleneck is when a species goes through a period of low numbers. Having only two would qualify as a severe and irreparable bottleneck. Bottlenecks show up in the genes, and animals that have recent bottlenecks have them at different times, not the same time as Noah's story would predict. Pandas have their bottleneck at 34,000 years ago and we have one 70,000 years ago. The uniform Geologic layer and the universal bottlenecking are two pieces of physical evidence that would exist if Noah's story happened, and neither occur. This never happened.This message has been edited by CACTUSJACKmankin, 04-28-2006 07:18 AMThis message has been edited by CACTUSJACKmankin, 04-28-2006 07:20 AM

There are other problems with low species numbers.There appears to be a minimum size at which human societies can exist. Studies of the colonisation of the Pacific by the Polynesians show that settlements under a certain size failed. Similarly, archaeological studies of the Aborigines in Australia where colonies were trapped when rising sea water split Tasmania and other islands from the mainland show that the colonies on the smaller islands failed. These number were far greater than the human population on the Ark. Similarly, the surviving isolated populations regressed technically, again lack of numbers prevented them maintaining advanced (for them) technologies.Further, some species require numbers to breed. Take the Passenger Pigeon. Exterminated by Man, yes. However, Man did not shoot every one of the last relict population. Without s sufficiently large flock, they simply stopped breeding. Other species act similarly.

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For Whigs admit no force but argument.

You can deny that the flood never occured. There are ancient civilizations around the world which were destroyed. They have historical literatures which do not even have any references to the Bible. So, either these records are wrong or you are wrong. Both cannot be true. Good try.This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 04-28-2006 10:58 AM

For your claim to have any validity, you need to:

1. Tell us what those ancient civilzations were. Saying you know a guy who knows a guy is worthless as evidence.
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2. Show that all of those civilizations were destroyed, by a flood, and at the same time.
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3. Explain how their "historical literatures" survived the flood.
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4. Etc.

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inkorrect And how many of those civilizations lived near a water source prone to flooding?

No is denying that the flood never occurred. In fact, we are saying that indeed the flood never occurred lolI'm shocked that ANYONE believes this flood nonsense. Believing in the tooth fairy is more reasonable

It nonplusses me also but the way I think about it is that the mainstream religions have thousands of years enculturation. Taking the Italian Renassiance as an arbitrary starting point science has had about 400 years to develop. It may take another thousand years for it to permeat the culture the way the Judeo Christian Muslim thought has permeated our contemporary western cultures.Religious nonsense is part of the very fabric of civilized consciousness. Witness the activities we see in the US and around the world. This religious consciousness actively resists being supplanted by rational thought.I just want to understand this better.lfen