Does Allah = Moon God?

Fine, then I'm crazy. But you already knew that.

I'd call it a revisionist co-optation or ripoff myself.

I quoted more than one person. In fact I said as much. And I provided the link so that you can investiage further. It's not my fault that you prefer making baseless attacks to the minimal research of clicking on a link.

like what the christians did with judaism.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
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Yep, its a ripoff, a co-optation, its revisionist. Other words to also use, derivative, offshoot, descendant, offshoot. You could also use, stolen, pilfered, and plagiarized.The Arab God is still closer to the Judeo Christian God than it is to the moon god. Or rather Allah is still closer to Elah than it is to Sin.

heheSeriously, how about we play tit-for-tat. You tell me something that Allah has in common with Sin, and I'll tell you something that he has in common with YHWH. To save posts you can just list all the common properties in one post.

Well, if God said it to Moses maybe he said it to an Egyptian first. And yes, that's pretty much the implication with Egyptian theology as well. It was considered the ineffable name of the supreme god.

"The Christians?" Oh, you mean that JEWISH Messiah and His JEWISH disciples, and their hundreds of thousands of JEWISH followers ripped off Judaism??

Hi, Buzz:
This might also shed a little light on things for you.Allah - WikipediaI've read loads of stuff here from people who've said this and that about Allah. Ultimately, we must arrive at conclusions individually.There are many aspects to the person called Mahomet. One of the most important one's to me is that he was illiterate and employed Jewish scribes to be his secretaries. He also had at least two Jewish wives. To me, the Koran is a fractured account of tales from the people surrounding the prophet. Among those are people that came from everywhere on caravans.If you study, it will come!

How do you arrive at that number and what period do you apply it to? During Christ's ministry or at some point afterwards?lfen

Morey saysThe Qu'ran says

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[35.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, messengers flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He increases in creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things.

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Allah is defined, he is the God of Ibrahim, the same God as the God of the Jews and Christians. It says it right in the text, so Morey is wrong. He is either lying about having read and understand the Qu'ran, or he is lying about what it says. Even a casual observer knows this is wrong, so its clear Morey must be misrepresenting Islam here. The Creed:

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We believe in Allah's Godship; that is, He is the True God and every other deity is false.
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We believe that He is "Allah there is no God but He...

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And of course, who could be ignorant of "There is no god but Allah,"?The people you say have no proof of any sort, spell all of this out in detail, in the link that Paul referenced, if you actually read the page and the articles it links to.

Well for similarities with the moon god I could list the practices at Mecca, the circling the stone and kissing it, and the crescent moon symbol of Islam, and various other things which were listed on the link I posted.But we might get farther if we listed the differences from Jehovah rather than the similarities to the moon god, starting with "Allah has no son."Allah also has no prophets -- except the one self-appointed Mohammed, whereas Jehovah has hundreds,and Allah did not speak directly to his prophet but Jehovah did to his.According to Mohammed, Ishmael was Abraham's heir but Jehovah says Isaac was, so either the Arabs are God's own people or the Jews are.And Jehovah said it directly to Abraham too, whereas Allah got "Gabriel" to tell it to Mohammed. Unless Mohammed made it up. Depends on whether it is in the Koran or not I guess, and I don't know.Allah doesn't require sacrifice for sin whereas Jehovah did, and provided it Himself too.Allah sometimes is nice to infidels and sometimes tells his followers to kill them wherever they find them. Jehovah sent Jesus to pay for the sins of the infidels and through Jesus teaches that we are all sinners and are to be good to infidels too, except of course when debating them at evc.Let's see, what else?Oh but now we're off topic.

Well once they denied Judaism and proclaimed this Jesus guy as the jewish messiah even though he doesn't fit the criteria they stopped being jews and became christians didn't they. They took the OT, wrote some new stuff and started a new religion on the back of the old. How is that not a rip-off?To sum up from the original post I replied to: So:
1) Islam takes some aspects of Judaims and Christianity but says that they have it right and that the other two are wrong. Your position is that its a revisionist co-optation or ripoff.2) Christianity takes some aspects of judaims but says that they got it right and that judaism is wrong. Your position is that this isn't a rip-off or revisionist co-option.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

I extrapolate it from my own personal count of the Jewish converts reported in the Book of Acts, starting 50 days after Jesus' resurrection, and I did a very conservative count, not including any questionable references, and came up with 30,000. The Book of Acts only reports on a very small arena of the evangelizing work of the apostles (which is said to have reached as far as India), and mostly the work of Paul, some of Peter and Mark's, and only part of their work. I simply extrapolate from the knowable number to what it must have been if you take into account the unmentioned incidents plus all the other apostles who were busy evangelizing the known world of the time, not to mention the new converts who passed on the good news to friends and family. "Hundreds of thousands" is possibly conservative. There were synagogues in every major city and some minor ones all over the Mediterranean area, and the apostles had the practice of preaching first in the synagogues.I've heard that the number has been more officially calculated somewhere but I don't know by whom or how to find it or how many.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-30-2006 06:58 PM

and 3. They were both referred to as 'The God'.My turn
1. They are both creators of the entire universe
2. He did it in six days
3. The first man was made from clay
4. He made a garden and it had a forbidden tree
5. Abraham, Moses and Jesus as the messiah.
6. There is only one God, and he is mercifulI could go on for longer, but I'll let you catch up if you want. Explain why, when working out which god Allah is most derived from, should we examine the differences without reference to Sin? Incidentally Sin had a daughter, so I guess that puts Sin as being a little closer to YHWH than Allah Koran:

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[2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

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Since we are comparing Allah to Sin and YHWH we should now ask - what are the names of the prophets of the Moon God? Indeed, we were meant to be talking about Sin. You seem to claim that Allah has more properties derived from Sin (the moon god) than it does from YHWH. That is on topic, and I don't think you're going to be able to build a case for it.This message has been edited by Modulous, Mon, 01-May-2006 12:11 AM