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inkorrekt
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Message 31 of 38 (306606)
04-25-2006 11:21 PM
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04-24-2006 9:57 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
I have to correct a spelling mistake here, you misspelt capitalists as marxists

Yes, you are right on. Socialism rules Canada and Capitalism rules the USA. In Canada Marxists are known as Capitalists. In the USA, the correct spelling for capitalists is CAPITALISTS.


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inkorrekt
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Message 32 of 38 (306607)
04-25-2006 11:25 PM
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04-25-2006 6:30 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
That is the kind of statement of 'fact' that could do with some evidence to back it up

Stem Cell research has now become a political issue. Politics will and can use "Junk " Science to justify the position. Same is true for Global Warming. Watch for the new book by the Ex Vice President Al Gore.


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DrJones*
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Message 33 of 38 (306616)
04-26-2006 1:02 AM
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04-25-2006 11:21 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
How is decreasing costs, by moving to a low labour wage country, to increase profits anything but capitalism?


Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor
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Wounded King
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Message 34 of 38 (306724)
04-26-2006 12:45 PM
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04-25-2006 11:25 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
You do recall who made it a political issue don't you? And it is that very politicisation which makes it hard for you to show any evidence in support of your statement. You can't conclude that that one is more effective than the other until the same work has been done on both, and one branch of stem cell research has been stunted thanks to political considerations.

TTFN,

WK


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inkorrekt
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From: Westminster,CO, USA
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Message 35 of 38 (307193)
04-27-2006 8:19 PM
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04-26-2006 12:45 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
You do recall who made it a political issue don't you?
I did not do this. This had been politicalized long before I came into this forum.Yes, "Junk" Scientists only need the political platform. Those who wanted to kill lives in the name of Stem /cell research have politicalized this issue. Same is true on Abortion, Euthanasia etc. Logic and reasoning have been overpowered by Junk Scientists and politicians in Academics and industry.
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Message 36 of 38 (307251)
04-28-2006 5:19 AM
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04-27-2006 8:19 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
I did not do this. This had been politicalized long before I came into this forum.Yes, "Junk" Scientists only need the political platform. Those who wanted to kill lives in the name of Stem /cell research have politicalized this issue. Same is true on Abortion, Euthanasia etc. Logic and reasoning have been overpowered by Junk Scientists and politicians in Academics and industry.

No, it is the religious right who started this. claiming that stem cell research is murdering of children, when its not, there is no life to begin with. the right, rather than researching and funding research took to the goverment and demanded that research that could save lives be stopped. Not over something they have evidence of but thier beliefs.

its just like abortion and euthanasia, neather is about verifible things but based on personal beliefs and enforcement of them

Logic and reasoning have been overpowered by Junk Scientists and politicians in Academics and industry

the only junk science is the science produced by the groups that want to stop progress and enforce thier beliefs
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inkorrekt
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Message 37 of 38 (308002)
04-30-2006 5:33 PM
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04-28-2006 5:19 AM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
claiming that stem cell research is murdering of children, when its not

When the sperm fertilizes the egg, all the processes of cell multiplication and division proceed. If there is no life, how will these processes occur? Once the embryo is formed, it has life. you cannot refute this. If you refute this, this is not science.We do not have any definition of life so far. But, all that we have is the information about the characteristics of life and living organisms. I am not aware of anyone declaring that embryonic cell stem research is equivalent to murdering children.

Yes, if you assume that the embryo has no life, then murdering anyone at any stage of life is allowed.Euthanaisa is also allowed. This is where we have problem. Leave alone religion. This is science and common sense issue.

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ReverendDG
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Message 38 of 38 (308087)
04-30-2006 9:08 PM
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04-30-2006 5:33 PM


Re: We did this to ourselves .We are not dominat anymore.
We are pursuing adult stem cell research. We do not have to kill another human being to save some one using embryonic stem cells.

sounds to me from an earlier post that you are saying it is, why say if we are pursuing adult stem cell research instead of embryonic, we arn't killing another life, sounds like a round about way of saying embryonic stem cell research is killing of children

When the sperm fertilizes the egg, all the processes of cell multiplication and division proceed. If there is no life, how will these processes occur? Once the embryo is formed, it has life. you cannot refute this. If you refute this, this is not science.

i never once said this nonsense, of course its alive being alive doesn't make it a person though, we eat beef, and pork but we feel no remorse because it was alive

We do not have any definition of life so far. But, all that we have is the information about the characteristics of life and living organisms.

that seems to me to have some sort of defintion, part of a definition would be the characteristics of life

Yes, if you assume that the embryo has no life, then murdering anyone at any stage of life is allowed.Euthanaisa is also allowed. This is where we have problem. Leave alone religion. This is science and common sense issue.

i'm not sure what you are talking about? i don't think i ever said the embryos aren't alive. euthanaisa has to do with this?

This is where we have problem. Leave alone religion. This is science and common sense issue.

but most if not all the problems are based on religious reasons, not commonsense ones or science reasons

a person in pvs brought on by a damaging blow to the head is not going to come out of it, commonsense would tell you that the person would not like to live hooked up to mechines for their lifetime or burden thier families, stresswise and moneywise - science would explain that a person would never come out of it so there is no point in keeping them alive, since its fruitless
guess what? people do not use common sense to justify keeping the pvs person alive, its belief or religion that says you can't kill the person, even though they are just basically a breathing hunk of meat wasting your money
they justify the belief, because they see the person twitch or open thier eyes and "look" around, its only a case of lights on but no one is home


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