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CACTUSJACKmankin Member (Idle past 6302 days) Posts: 48 Joined: |
"You can deny that the flood never occured. There are ancient civilizations around the world which were destroyed. They have historical literatures which do not even have any references to the Bible. So, either these records are wrong or you are wrong. Both cannot be true. Good try."
Almost all civilizations lived on a floodplain or the coast of some body of water. So, each of these civilizations recording a major aquatic disaster is not surprising. Could you at least address my scientific criticisms. Two pieces of physical evidence. Why are they not there? No flood layer and no bottlenecking in the genes.Those are just the physical evidences, there is so much wrong with this story. Genetic problems from inbreeding, fitting two of every species on a boat (there are an estimated 10 million species on the planet), feeding the animals, exposing animals from all different climates to the same temperature and humidity, reseeding the earth (trees take decades to reach adult size, what about the arborial animals?), redistribution of species (if Noah misplaced any they'd have died out), and Aquatic species can only survive in a specific range of salinities, the rain would have diluted the oceans(putting marine species in serious danger) and when the ocean waters hit the lakes it would have killed the freshwater species.
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complexPHILOSOPHY Inactive Member |
quote: Do you know what microbial disintegration is?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
According to Bishop Ussher, who is evidently considered the final authority on all Biblical matters concerning timescales by all young Earth creationists, the great flood occured in 2348 BC.
Let's forget all counter evidence from physics, geology, biology, linguistics, and anthropology against a universal flood. Let's talk about history, namely the history of Egypt. According to modern, less biased estimates of the age of various pyramids, the Great Pyramid of Khufu would have been made during the reign of Khufu, some 200 years before any flood. subsequent to Khufu, there clearly exists pyramids by the next pharaohs Chephren and then Mycerenius, all of these pyramids were built prior to the flood. There are several clear precedents to these pyramids such as the step pyramid of Saqqara and the weird one they tried to make too steep. Although creationists will obviously attempt to shift the dates of such massive undertakings it would be difficult to explain how this matches the Genesis account of the flood. If the pyramids are older than the flood, where is the water damage? If younger, where are the massive amouts of labor needed for construction? After all, it would take more than a few women quite some time to pop out all those Egyptians. Where are the written accounts? I think a society that could put up such edifices would have noticed a universal flood. Why is there no lack of continuity in this civilization (or any other at the time?) Of course it could have been done by magic, by the god that created a world that implies a reward for the curious but then intentionally decieves the curious and rewards the unquestioning. Or maybe the literal interpretation of the Bible is wrong, it should be treated as a parable (who implied that?) This message has been edited by anglagard, 04-29-2006 05:39 AM
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5862 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Religious nonsense is part of the very fabric of civilized consciousness. Witness the activities we see in the US and around the world. This religious consciousness actively resists being supplanted by rational thought. I just want to understand this better. Good point and I think an interesting subject. Maybe I'll start a new thread if I can think of a good way to frame it.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
There is a natural phenomenon of the brain called pareidollia, which causes familiar shapes to be formed out of randomness. This effect causes animals to be seen in clouds and the "face" on mars. I met a man who claimed that many years ago, a 2 mile radius space ship landed and sucked him inside. The aliens gave him a physical exam and took away a part of his body. They also told him that they would return. I asked him if he ever watched Startrek. He said that he watches it all the time. I have also seen pictures of Mars in many published books. There are some structures similar to pyramids. I do not know if these are real or artifacts. If they are real, who made them? OR how did they come into existence. I do not have the answers. I am still skeptical about these pictures. Unless I have solid evidences, I am still skeptical. You cannot compare Noah's ark with such information which are yet to be verified. Noah's ark will one day be verified and authenticated. Till then, we cannot prejudge anything. Yes, it seems you are suffering from another disorder in which you will not believe anything even if solid evidence is presented to you.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: eh? You don't see the problem with this statement?
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lfen Member (Idle past 4705 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Yes, it seems you are suffering from another disorder in which you will not believe anything even if solid evidence is presented to you. Eh? And the solid evidence you have presented for the ark is? If it's the evidence I think you are referring to that has been refuted in detail. lfen
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I did not present the evidence. In my earlier posts, I wrote that I wanted to see the man who went to the Mount Ararat to locate the ark. I have not yet met him.So, be patient. i will get the information and post it.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
But you know that an argument to the future is no argument at all? It's a bit bizarre to tell people not to prejudge and then in the previous sentence talk about how the ark will be verified!!
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Apr-2006 07:04 PM
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
You cannot compare Noah's ark with such information which are yet to be verified. Noah's ark will one day be verified and authenticated. Till then, we cannot prejudge anything.
we know its not true, because people have tested the possiblity of even a metal re-enforced boat of the size the bible lists, they found its impossible under a storm thats believed to have happened if you have read about the 450 foot ships the chinese made, they would not beable to survive even a mild storm, they stuck to the coastline, and that was a feathow would a ship claimed bigger than that survive a 40 day storm without breaking up?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I have also seen pictures of Mars in many published books. There are some structures similar to pyramids.
No there aren't - at least not in non-fiction books. No pyramids, no faces, no Elvis - not in reality, at least.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
i forgot the word, but its a part of the mind to make images in things that do not really have that image
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CACTUSJACKmankin Member (Idle past 6302 days) Posts: 48 Joined: |
"I met a man who claimed that many years ago, a 2 mile radius space ship landed and sucked him inside. The aliens gave him a physical exam and took away a part of his body. They also told him that they would return. I asked him if he ever watched Startrek. He said that he watches it all the time."
I don't know how this is relevant, pareidolia is part of how the brain processes information. Your eye picks up random shapes and your brain interperates them as familiar shapes i.e. shapes in the clouds. Pareidolia would not cause an alien abduction experience, that could be Hypnagogia or sleep paralysis (brain wakes up before the body does). "I have also seen pictures of Mars in many published books. There are some structures similar to pyramids. I do not know if these are real or artifacts. If they are real, who made them? OR how did they come into existence. I do not have the answers. I am still skeptical about these pictures. Unless I have solid evidences, I am still skeptical."I have seen photos of all kinds of "alleged" structures, it's nothing but random formations on the martian surface. The "face" on mars is actually a hill, but the way that light hits it, it appears to resemble a face. A great example of pareidolia. "You cannot compare Noah's ark with such information which are yet to be verified. Noah's ark will one day be verified and authenticated. Till then, we cannot prejudge anything."That glacial "ark" is just a random depression in the ice, it looks ark shaped because of pareidolia. The ark has never been verified to exist. Plus, as I have stated in previous posts, the whole story of Noah as interperated literally is impossible. No global flood, no two of every species, no single human family. "Yes, it seems you are suffering from another disorder in which you will not believe anything even if solid evidence is presented to you."What solid evidence? Please show me how that story is possible, and you still haven't addressed any of my scientific criticisms!!!
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Read message 68.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
pareidolia is what i was thinking of an interesting function of the brain
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