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Phat
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Message 3 of 305 (308447)
05-02-2006 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
04-30-2006 8:58 PM


Reality: What a concept!
RAZD, you have the most colorful and well laid out posts! Im glad that this one finally got promoted!
RAZD writes:
The real question is how does one's personal view relate to {reality}, and how can we determine that (IF we can determine that)?
Im not sure. My view includes belief in the supernatural, which is itself unprovable. Lets add a definition to your list:
re”al”i”tyn, pl -ties 1 : the quality or state of being real 2 : something real 3 : The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence. .
Things that possess actuality, existence, or essence....do these things include individual imaginations? Christians quite rightly claim God as a reality apart from our imaginations---as if He imparted His reality into us. We can never prove this fact, however, except through exemplorary behavior (which we seldom model) and even then, others without our belief can also behave quite well.
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Phat
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Message 5 of 305 (308525)
05-02-2006 2:09 PM
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05-02-2006 11:15 AM


Re: Reality: What a concept!
ramoss writes:
Until you can show an objective way to measure 'god', outside of personal sensations, and observable via instruments rather than subjective experiances, you can not legitimently say 'quite rightly'.
Nobody wrote the rule that says that empiricism has to be the standard.
Science and proof are useful tools, but there is no universal consensus that these standards are the arbitration for reality. (Especially in matters of faith/belief.)

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Phat
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Message 8 of 305 (308561)
05-02-2006 4:33 PM
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05-02-2006 3:04 PM


Re: Reality: What a concept!
You are right...it IS the science section! (oops) My Bad.
RAZDs model has faith as part of the equation, and faith cannot be proven, however.
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Phat
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Message 15 of 305 (308737)
05-03-2006 11:13 AM
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05-03-2006 9:31 AM


Reality of faith: Non-measurable or verifiable
OK. I initially said that Christians quite rightly claim God as a reality apart from our imaginations---as if He imparted His reality into us.
ramoss responded by saying
ramoss writes:
Until you can show an objective way to measure 'god', outside of personal sensations, and observable via instruments rather than subjective experiances, you can not legitimently say 'quite rightly'.
By "rightly" I did not mean correctly.
Websters writes:
right”ly adv 1 : fairly, justly 2 : properly 3 : correctly, exactly
I meant properly. For a Christian, you see, it is quite proper to believe in a God apart from our imagination. This may be a science topic, but as it includes faith as one of the parameters being studied, I am asserting that faith needs no empirical yardstick to be genuine. Science holds no monopoly over the methods used in determining all of reality. As to your question of how I know if I am right or not, I DO not. I merely stated that for Christians, it is proper to believe in a God that made us and not one that we made up.

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