Does The Flood Add up?

em...yes? I read it - it just says "I have an argument that I might be able to present in the future but at this present moment, I have nil, nothing,zippo!"

Talk OriginsA couple of points.The existence of other flood myths is evidence against the veracity of the Biblical flood. If the Biblica flood is literally true, then there would have been no-one left to transmit the story.The possibility of contaimination is also present. Storytellers would hear the missionaries preach and pick up and adapt the stories for themselves. I read once of a North American Indian tribe, divided into three(?) subgroups. Two had had extensive contacts with missionaries, and flood stories; the third was isolated, and had no such story. I'll try to find and post a reference.Further, as has been pointed out, most areas where people live are prone to flooding, and this makes the multi-origin explanation likely.

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For Whigs admit no force but argument.

When Moses went to the mount Moriah, people became impatient as he was absent for 40 days. This is when they built CALFS from Gold. This is when Hinduism began. It was sometime 5000 BC. In South india, there was one piece of land extending from South Africa to Philippines and then to the south pole. They all spoke TAMIL, one of the oldest langauges. History of this language even cites the date of the flood. The entire geopraphy of the world changed. This is historical record. When this was written, there was no Bible. No one even knew what Judaism was. Challenging the flood or trying to explain this away does not change human history. Flood occured.

Somehow I doubt that you will find anything defendable. If it were substantiated, that would be big news.With so many Christians eager for such evidence, and so many $$$ contributed to evangelism, I would think it would be easy (and lucrative) to form an expedition, including some well-renowned skeptics, to prove that the ark exists. Enough money could be raised to pay-off some corrupt Turkish government officials, too.Once the ark is found the investors could share in the broadcast profits, which would be enormous with so many people interested. For example, look at how many people were interested in the Shroud of Turin. A pay-TV event would not be a bad idea, either.Come to think of it, for the right price, I would be willing to lead that expedition. One million dollars plus expenses.

This decribes disorders in perception. This is a neurological disorder. This has nothing to do with people seeing pictures of structures in Mars. There are many books published. The validity of these claims must be scrutinized.

Science News | Science Mission DirectorateFace on MarsScruitinized and shown to be an example of pareidoliaThis message has been edited by anglagard, 05-05-2006 12:12 AM

As noted in msg 81 this is NOT a disorder. It is a consequence of our normal brain image processing. It is unavoidable.You are inkorrect again. Some sort of forum record I think now.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 05-05-2006 01:38 AM

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When Moses went to the mount Moriah, people became impatient as he was absent for 40 days. This is when they built CALFS from Gold. This is when Hinduism began. It was sometime 5000 BC. In South india, there was one piece of land extending from South Africa to Philippines and then to the south pole. They all spoke TAMIL, one of the oldest langauges. History of this language even cites the date of the flood. The entire geopraphy of the world changed. This is historical record. When this was written, there was no Bible. No one even knew what Judaism was. Challenging the flood or trying to explain this away does not change human history. Flood occured.

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I'm sure this is the result of extensive historical evidence! Did a fat guy get kicked off the ark and form buddhism? Where do the races of man come from? what biblical story can you squeeze and distort to explain native americans? Speaking of native americans, how can you give any weight to a "global flood" when the people who told this story for thousands of years didn't know about the americas? Do you think they knew what it meant to flood the planet when they didn't know about the size or the shape of the earth? Would they have thought "two of everything" reasonable if they spent five minutes in the rain forest? This story makes sense to people living 5,000 years ago, today in the year 2006 with all of the science and technology we have it's just silly.

Out of curiosity, where did you get that date? For literalists, this puts it around 1000 years before Genesis 1. Or thereabouts.

How could God wiping out life on earth be feesible with no God?

^Welcome to random.If the ark story is true, then humanity stems from noah's family, correct? How do you explain ethnic groups? Why do people from africa have higher melanin then others? why do orientals look like they do? Why do northern europeans look like they do?
With the enourmous variety of ethnic groups, the groups must have evolved from his ancestors. In proving the flood right, youve destroyed ID. Good job.Lets not even talk about the genetic catastrophies that would have happened with so much in-breeding. If it were true.

noah's three sons are shem (father of the semitic people), ham (egyptians) and japheth (mediterranean).(noah's descendants are actually a good indication of the area the bible claims the flood covered, as "eretz" is quite ambiguous)Edited by arachnophilia, : typo, x for z

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Who did they breed with?Did they take wives on the ark?

guess so.

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Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

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Gen 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

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If the ark story is true, then humanity stems from noah's family, correct? How do you explain ethnic groups? Why do people from africa have higher melanin then others? why do orientals look like they do? Why do northern europeans look like they do?
With the enourmous variety of ethnic groups, the groups must have evolved from his ancestors. In proving the flood right, youve destroyed ID. Good job.

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Lets not even talk about the genetic catastrophies that would have happened with so much in-breeding. If it were true.

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Now consider that in YEC mythology Noah is only 9 generations from Adam and Eve, His wife is a direct descendant of Adam and Eve and his Sons and Sons wives are direct descendants of Adam and Eve. All of these people can supposedly trace their ancestors back about 1,600 years to Adam and Eve and no one else. So how does any genetic diversity arise from the further inbreeding of people who are already totally inbred. I have heard YECs claim that the genetic diversity of the human species comes from the wives of Noah's sons but like virtually everything else about YEC and the global flood story, this makes no sense at all. It certainly does not "add up".Randy
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