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Message 46 of 148 (309172)
05-04-2006 6:16 PM
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05-04-2006 5:14 PM


Re: whops!!
quote:
But to me, coffee is coffee.
Definitely not from the West Coast.

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Message 47 of 148 (309184)
05-04-2006 7:09 PM
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05-04-2006 5:14 PM


Re: whops!!
I think Starbucks is a ripoff (i get better black coffee with home made folgers But to me, coffee is coffee.
Take it from a former barista - buy fresh beans and grind your own. Get one of those blade grinders like Billy Crystal uses in City Slickers. Grind for about a slow ten-count. Put the grinds into some kind of funneling filter device - you could actually just shove a few conical coffee filters into a large kitchen funnel, or do like I do and use one of those perforated gold screen ones - put it over the top of a carafe or something, and slowly pour hot water (like, bring it to just where it starts to bubble before the boil) through - about 6 oz for every tablespoon of ground bean you have in the filter.
Yes, Starbucks is kind of a ripoff. I mean, once you have a real cappuchino, you'll pay quite a bit for it, and Starbucks is going to have equipment for drawing espresso and frothing milk that you don't. On the other hand, they're going to have zombies working the espresso machine instead of people who know what coffee should taste like, and charging you bundles for the privilege.

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Message 48 of 148 (309186)
05-04-2006 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
05-04-2006 7:09 PM


One or two suggestions.
Get a burr grinder instead of a blade grinder. And a French Press is a great way to make coffee.
For as real daily treat try some Ethiopian, some Sumatran or some Kenya AA. For that special once a day treat try some medium roast 100% Kona (I like Surfin'Ass) or some Jamacan Blue Mountain.

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Message 49 of 148 (309200)
05-04-2006 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-04-2006 3:43 PM


Re: I agree
SuperNintendo Chalmers writes:
The universe simply exists. There is no concept of "before" the universe because time is a property of the universe.
Ask cavediver if you don't believe me.
Cavediver points out that there was a point of T=0. We don't know why the clock started ticking.
crashfrog writes:
Eyes exist because seeing is useful. That's a perfectly scientific answer to a perfectly scientific question.
I mean how hard is that? Why is it that you two insist on taking perfectly answerable, scientific questions and acting like the answers are somehow beyond the scope of human knowledge?
I mean, did you two really need me to tell you what to do with your eyes? Reading books with them would be my first suggestion.
Sure eyes are useful. Maybe that's why an intelligent designer felt they were a good idea and made them part of the evolutionary process. I don't see how that's germane. Science is agnostic. It doesn't answer the question of why there is anything. Maybe there is an intelligent designer and maybe there isn't. We just disagree on the answer.

Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

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Message 50 of 148 (309208)
05-04-2006 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by GDR
05-04-2006 7:45 PM


Re: I agree
Cavediver points out that there was a point of T=0. We don't know why the clock started ticking.
Uh-oh, no clock started ticking at T=0. How do I explain this at 00:45 in the morning...
Back to my globe analogy North Pole is the Big Bang (last time it may have been south pole but hey...) What you and I think of as moving through time is moving downwards parallel to the Earth's axis. You have to move quite a way (south) from the North Pole before you begin to experience time, i.e. start moving down rather than across.
In other words, clock ticking time is only a real feature of the universe away from the Big Bang. Close to it, things just are.
Actually, time is really only a consequence of conciousness, and vice-versa... but that's for another day

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Message 51 of 148 (309213)
05-04-2006 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by jar
05-04-2006 7:17 PM


Re: One or two suggestions.
Get a burr grinder instead of a blade grinder.
I don't think they offer the same control over the grind. You have to guess when you set the dial. The blade grinder, you just stop when you hit the right grind. They're easier to clean and they don't hold onto coffee oils as much. Plus you can use them to chop peanuts.
My burr grinder is a piece. I used it once and then went back to my blade grinder; the one that's half-melted from my apartment fire.

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Message 52 of 148 (309237)
05-04-2006 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by cavediver
05-04-2006 7:55 PM


Re: I agree
cavediver writes:
Actually, time is really only a consequence of conciousness, and vice-versa... but that's for another day
I keep waiting for that day. Please start a thread on it. It has to be the most interesting research that is going on anywhere right now.
Thanks for the clarification on the other part by the way. It still seems to me that it would start as we leave the north pole there is a component that is moving down, and at some point whether it be at the time of the BB or not, wouldn't there have been a t=0?

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lfen
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Message 53 of 148 (309254)
05-04-2006 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by jar
05-04-2006 7:17 PM


French Press can have side effects
If you drink lots of coffee check this out before you drink a lot of French Press:
A report of the study, published in today’s British Medical Journal, shows that men and women who drank the filtered coffee exhibited no changes over the course of the trial in any of the assayed blood constituents. Previous studies by Urgert’s group had shown that such a filter effectively removes all of the coffee-oil’s diterpenes. Those who drank coffee made by the French press method, however, displayed a host of undesirable changes.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/11_30_96/food.htm
I loved the taste of French Press plus it makes more strong coffee per amount of beans than does the melitta filter I used so I was drinking more coffee. This is only ancedotal but after about 8 months I developed caffine sensitivity that lead to racing fast erratic heart beats and high blood pressure. I did have an elevation in my liver enzyme.
I'm now drinking swiss water process french roast organic coffee that is roasted locally and that I grind as the water boils but I'm back to dripping it through unbleached filter paper. It's not quite as good as coffee that hasn't been decaffinated and it cost a bit more but my blood pressure and heart rate are normal.
Just a heads up. Maybe most people won't drink as much french press coffee as I did, but be aware of possible side effects.
lfen

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Message 54 of 148 (309255)
05-05-2006 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by lfen
05-04-2006 11:59 PM


Re: French Press can have side effects
That's okay. Living alone I'm reduced to the pod machines anyway.
PS: many French Presses accept the round filters anyway which do the same thing.

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Message 55 of 148 (309268)
05-05-2006 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by lfen
05-04-2006 11:59 PM


Re: French Press can have side effects
So pour your french press coffee through a filter! have the best of both

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Message 56 of 148 (309275)
05-05-2006 2:20 AM
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05-05-2006 1:11 AM


Re: French Press can have side effects
I thought of that but then for some reason, I guess to reduce the number of steps or process time, I really don't know just never got around to it. I may try it especially when having company as I can brew more at once that way, maybe ...
I just wish I liked tea as well as I did coffee, it's supposed to have stuff that is good for health and it takes less equipment, and is cheaper per cup, but I like my strong dark black coffee.
lfen

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Message 57 of 148 (309357)
05-05-2006 11:01 AM
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05-05-2006 2:20 AM


Re: French Press can have side effects
Use the small round filters originally designed for the percolators.

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Message 58 of 148 (309366)
05-05-2006 11:31 AM


Topic Drift!
Let's bring this back to the topic. Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster like coffee? If so, what variety?
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Message 59 of 148 (309369)
05-05-2006 11:42 AM
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05-05-2006 11:31 AM


Re: Topic Drift!
Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster like coffee?
No. Chianti, or Peroni beer in a pinch.

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EZscience
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Message 60 of 148 (309379)
05-05-2006 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by GDR
05-03-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Accidents
Crash has already covered two points here quite well, so I won;t address those.
GDR writes:
It would seem logical that evolution would occur gradually but consistently over time.
Not necessarily. That is now refered to as 'gradualism'. Gould put forward the idea that some changes can occur very quickly (in evolutionary time) and that these rapid changes can be interspersed by long periods of virtual stasis. This is now known as the theory of 'punctuated equilibria'.
GDR writes:
I think it is far more likely given the design involved that these genetic mutations were either designed initially or guided throughout the process by an external intelligence.
Most of us working in biology would not agree with this. When you say 'given the design involved' you are making a huge leap of inference that is not supported by any evidence. It is merely an impression precipitated by your incredulity of the complexity you are observing.
Where is the evidence of the designer, or even evidence of any 'guidance' in the process of evolution? There is none. Postulating guidance is a dangerous first step on a path toward a teleological interpretation of life. It's just simply not needed - an unnecessary adddition that doesn't improve or enhance any aspect of the theory.
GDR writes:
Given human consciousness and our sense of right and wrong, love and hate etc, I find it extremely difficult to believe that it too just evolved naturally.
Why not? All these things can be construed as adaptations in different context within human evolution.
GDR writes:
To me it's just obvious
To scientists it isn't obvious at all.

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