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Topic: Bible Cryptids/Dinosaurs?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: Why does it have to be real?
a Croc's hide is strong enough to repell harpoons and spears (Dinosaurs and the Bible" Ralph O. Muncaster) i'm starting to doubt this source, ludo.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: Why does it have to be real?
Good thinking Arach Ill dig a little more into the source. yeah. i'd check and see if there's anyone who's written anything about it. i found one bad review (on amazon, written by a customer) but it was because it supported OEC instead of YEC. go figure.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 149 of 202 (309541)
05-05-2006 11:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 148 by ringo 05-05-2006 7:01 PM
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Re: Why does it have to be real?
The whole point of the Leviathan story in Job seems to be that Leviathan can not be killed by "mere men". It's just silly to talk about the scales on a croc's back and ignore the soft underbell It says specifically that there is only one Leviathan. to be fair, i think you're being a little over-literal here. also, it's speaking consistently in the singular, as if one individual represents a species. god is speaking about his creations, when he created them. now, tradition says that god only made two leviathanim, and he killed one of them at the creation of the world. the other one, cursed to live his life in solitude without a mate, is the leviathan of job.
Yes, I know you think unicorns and dragons are real well, that's the idea of this debate, i think. leviathan IS a dragon.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 152 of 202 (309558)
05-06-2006 12:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 151 by ringo 05-06-2006 12:40 AM
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Re: Why does it have to be real?
Yes, and by tradition it might be a real flesh-and-blood animal. My point is that it is not an "ordinary", known animal, like a crocodile. In the story, it has to be "larger-than-life" - of mythic proportions and capabilities, or there isn't much point in mentioning it. quite. and part of that, of course, is by nature exageration.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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unicorn?
"Unicorn" as rendered in the Good ol' King James Version (which you seem to LOVE to quote) is better rendered "Wild Ox" which is why more modern and far, far, far better Bible translations render it "wild Ox" the modern hebrew refers to this unicorn-inspiring animal: i think this is an example of the modern animal named after the mythological reading. but it certainly is another questionable entry...
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 159 of 202 (310087)
05-07-2006 7:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 158 by ringo 05-07-2006 6:16 PM
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Re: unicorn?
no, i doubt it. an aurox seems like a better candidate.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 177 of 202 (316615)
05-31-2006 3:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 176 by ringo 05-31-2006 10:48 AM
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nitpick
the comparison with God would be a joke. what comparison with god is NOT a joke?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 179 of 202 (316647)
05-31-2006 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 178 by ringo 05-31-2006 3:54 PM
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Re: nitpick
(like i said, only a nitpick. of course the story has to have impact. i totally agree with your points here)
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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I have a JPS ("THe Jewish Study Bible")and it does not have the strikingly king James/archaic wording(unless it is a NJPS, which it does not say) there are indeed two versions of the jps, and ringo happens to be using the older one. i'm not aware of the newer one being free on the web anywhere. i much prefer the newer one.
It is also odd that your verse quote ala Job 41:7 is word-for-word identical with the KJV rendering. that is odd. the older jps does in fact match the kjv here.
And lets not forget that EVEN MYTHOLOGICAL MONSTERS ARE NOT ALWAYS UNKILLABLE but can you name a non-mythological animal that is unkillable?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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"unkillable"
By unkillable as in "no-way-no-how-nuthin-not-even-buckshot-tanks-Dr Strangelove-Nukes-Andre-the-Giant-will slay it", no. But then again there where times when certain animals could not be killed by man (Whales where just to large for Homo Egaster to kill)so in that sense, any meag-sized sea animal was "Unkillable" ok, well let's define this reasonably. let's say that killing it would be so far removed from the realm of human ability at the time, that we could say it was unkillable. "human ability" at the time of job includes the use of armies, metal to make spears and swords, the technology to make giant seige weapons (apparently), etc. we're talking about something that cannot be brought down by a few hundred armed men that had the technology to bring down walled cities.
And since we have a theological slant: Since God is omnipotent (Job confesses it in chapter 42)Nothing really is "Unkillable". To my knowledge, even mythical beasts that where "unkillable" could be slain by a deity (Zeus and Typhon) yes, well, not to be crass, but that's kind of the point. it's unkillable by man, but not by god. Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: No, no, you're both wrong ...
oy, they're not even good drawings.
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