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Phat
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Message 61 of 229 (179567)
01-22-2005 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by purpledawn
01-21-2005 12:59 PM


Re: Parable of the Sower
purpledawn writes:
You said you were going to treat this as a Bible Study.
Jesus was very clear how the parable described the different types of hearing.
I do not understand how your thoughts on wisdom are associated with the parable.
How does the parable help me to visualize your teaching on wisdom?
Perhaps the parable has taught you without need of my interpretation. My interpretation does not take anything away from what the traditional teaching on this parable is.
One learns, in a Bible study, from allowing Gods Spirit----Gods wisdom to open their eyes and heart.
We also learn through communion---a spiritual union in common because of Christ. Gods Spirit is the teacher.
It is not forbidden, however, for you or I to voice our interpretations as to the meanings gleaned from the scripture. It has been shown to me at least that when people are gathered for a Bible study and the focus is on being taught by the Spirit of God rather than on any human legalistic philosophy lesson which glorifies the intellect and shows one guy to be the Hebrew scholar, everyone learns something.
What do we as believers learn? That God has a message. That His message is simple yet profound. This message is that God wants to have a relationship with us. That God wants us to trust in Him with our hearts and to lean not on our own human understanding. Not to be "duped" by religion or mans agenda. Not to be ignorant of the wonder of our own mind. What, then? To know that we as humans were created to have a relationship with God. That we cannot "figure it out" without Him for there is no purpose without His Spirit---His communion with us.
My apology to Atheists. This was a Bible study and not a human philosophy course. The philosophy of the Bible is simple:
1) Love God. Allow Him to run the show. Not human wisdom.
2) Live His love, not His judgment. We are NOT God.
3) He is alive and personal.

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Message 62 of 229 (179581)
01-22-2005 7:45 AM
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01-22-2005 6:32 AM


Re: Parable of the Sower
quote:
It is not forbidden, however, for you or I to voice our interpretations as to the meanings gleaned from the scripture.
I said I do not UNDERSTAND how your toughts on wisdom are associated with the parable.
I don't comprehend how your interpretation can be related to the parable.
You have given me nothing to associate with the parable to enable me to remember your interpretation in the future when I hear the parable.
I'm asking for clarification.
I don't get what you are teaching about wisdom in relation to the parable.
I don't understand your point concerning wisdom and the parable.
When the disciples asked Jesus what he meant by a parable he explained it.
Please explain.
Have I said I don't get it?

A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

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Message 63 of 229 (286801)
02-15-2006 8:02 AM


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Phat
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Message 64 of 229 (309764)
05-06-2006 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
10-09-2004 3:48 PM


Fair Wages
crashfrog writes:
People who do the same "amount" of work should get paid the same. Obviously, in the real world, that doesn't always work, but we should strive for that, don't you think?
Equal pay for equal work, right? At the grocery store, some people make twice what others make, and there are certain types of work that are performed equally by both. The pay scale is based on years of service to the company. Its not exactly fair, but either
1) The company should raise everyone to similar levels...(unlikely)
2) The company should cut the higher paid rates next contract (which we will fight, of course)
I think P.D. had a good explanation of how her father did it and of how things could be done, however.
How do we justify paying a C.E.O. millions of dollars? THAT is where the unfairness really shines through, IMHO.

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Message 65 of 229 (309976)
05-07-2006 12:43 PM


Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
NIV writes:
Luke 10:25-37-- On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.
Phat writes:
typical lawyer!
"Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
Phat writes:
The "lawyer" seeks a loophole!
In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'
"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"
The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."
This parable confounded the wisdom of the "expert" in the law....as it implied that not only should Holy men like priests and levites be expected to act accordingly but that even the "least of these" (a Samaritan) could inherit eternal life by behaving accordingly.

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Message 66 of 229 (309980)
05-07-2006 1:14 PM
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05-07-2006 12:43 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
There is all the law. Follow it and you shall live.
But he wanted to justify himself,
ie: he didn't asked the obvious question "How on earth is one to follow such an impossible law?" Not realising this impossibility and persisting in fallacy of man that he can justify himself by law adhering he seeks clarification on a point of law.
He could have picked any point of law - but this one suffices to illustrate his foolishness. Jesus sets him (and all others who would think likewise) and impossible task.
You've no doubt seen a filthy drunk strung out on the street. Beaten and stripped by a thief called Satan. Assuming that he isn't currently residing in your home or some other place of refuge paid for by you, then a priest/levite you are. And if you have done such a thing, then you're still a priest and a levite for there are more drunks lying on the street as we speak
Log off now - go do likewise.
(by the way, I'm a priest and levite too - but I'm not not trying to justify myself)

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Message 67 of 229 (309984)
05-07-2006 1:25 PM
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05-07-2006 1:14 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
iano writes:
he didn't asked the obvious question "How on earth is one to follow such an impossible law?"
That's not an "obvious question" at all. It's dead wrong.
The Samaritan did follow the law. He did love his neighbour as himself, thus demonstrating his love for God. The whole point of the parable is that it is possible to follow the law , by simple actions, and that everybody is your neighbour.

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Message 68 of 229 (309986)
05-07-2006 1:31 PM
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05-07-2006 1:25 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
So what are you waiting for. Log off too and go do likewise - he's lyuing on the road on the main street right now. Okay..the parable does say he came across him - not that he went looking
Tomorrow on your way into work. Keep your eyes peeled. And the next and the next...
Cos as sure as night follows day, if you were in their shoes you would want it done unto you.
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Message 69 of 229 (309987)
05-07-2006 1:36 PM
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05-07-2006 1:31 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
iano writes:
Tomorrow on your way into work. Keep your eyes peeled. And the next and the next...
Cos as sure as night follows day, if you were in their shoes you would want it done unto you.
Exactly. That is what Jesus told us to do - and if you don't do it, you're a goat.

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iano
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Message 70 of 229 (309991)
05-07-2006 1:43 PM
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05-07-2006 1:36 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
Exactly. That is what Jesus told us to do - and if you don't do it, you're a goat.
So are you a goat? Because if not a list the names of all the drunks you've put up in your own house or paid for their refuge and rehabilitation would form some evidence of it.
And drug addicts and people who can't afford health care and..and... and. You must have come across many in your life. Ever step (priest/levite like) past one?
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Message 71 of 229 (309997)
05-07-2006 2:19 PM
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05-07-2006 1:43 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
iano writes:
So are you a goat?
God will decide.
... some evidence of it.
God has the evidence.
Did you read the parable at all?
quote:
Luk 10:37 ... Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Jesus was not setting an impossible task. He said very plainly that that is what we have to do to inherit eternal life. And that is all we have to do.

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Message 72 of 229 (310045)
05-07-2006 4:56 PM
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05-07-2006 2:19 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
Jesus was not setting an impossible task. He said very plainly that that is what we have to do to inherit eternal life. And that is all we have to do.
Then you don't have to wait to find out if you are a goat or not. Do you follow this law? Unless your a hermit and have no tv you'll come across people regularily who need you to pick them up and care for them (if you were them you would want you to - thus "as you would have done unto you)
If you help them when you find them on the 'street' then fine, your a sheep. If you ever walk by then your a goat. The parable doesn't tell us the whole Samaritans life, it doesn't tell us whether he was a sheep or a goat. It gives us the example of the law
"Come across a neighbour in need - help"
55mph is the law. It doesn't matter how many times you adhere to the law. If you don't adhere to the law once then you have broken the law.
Have you ever broken the law Jesus gave to a man should that man decide he wants to inherit internal life by his actions?
Ever walk by a person in need. Ever?

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Message 73 of 229 (310050)
05-07-2006 5:07 PM
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05-07-2006 4:56 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
iano writes:
The parable doesn't tell us the whole Samaritans life, it doesn't tell us whether he was a sheep or a goat.
It tell us he was a good neighbour. That's what Jesus requires of us.
God alone decides who is a sheep and who is a goat. There is no "secret formula" that you can use - one missed chance and you're a goat. As Jesus said, some of the sheep will be surprized and some of the goats will be surprized.
Jesus said "love thy neighbour as thyself. You are not required to be perfect in your treatment of yourself. Neither are you required to be perfect in your treatment of your neighbour.

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Message 74 of 229 (310054)
05-07-2006 5:22 PM
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05-07-2006 5:07 PM


Re: Another Parable: The Good Samaritan
You have I suppose a warm cosy house and with central heating and a well stocked fridge. Your not looking after yourself perfectly perhaps - but you get by. The tramp 2 blocks away this winter coming will be in a slightly different position.
Would a you as good neighbour invite him into their home to spend the winter? To treat him as you are going to treat yourself?
Presumably not. Why not?

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Message 75 of 229 (310060)
05-07-2006 5:47 PM
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05-07-2006 5:22 PM


Our Topic Is: The Good Samaritan
You're straying from the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Instead of trying to judge my standard of perfection, why don't you address the actual topic?
According to Jesus, the Samaritan did treat the robbery victim as he would want to be treated himself. That is not an impossible standard. It is the standard Jesus holds us to.
Address what the Samaritan did do, not what more he might have done.

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