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Chiroptera
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Message 5 of 91 (310587)
05-09-2006 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by SR71
05-09-2006 6:29 PM


heavy sigh
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They may be scientists but they cling to their findings cause they want to refute the creationism.
Having had some experience in planetary science (which involves explaining the evolution of the solar system and the various planets over millions and billions of years), I can assure your friend that no one wants to refute creationism. All anyone wants to do is find the most reasonable model that explains the data that they have.
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They want to make a name for themselves and be famous.
Which can most easily be done by refuting the dominant paradigm. Believe me, science that only confirms what everyone already expects is boring; no one makes a name for themselves by publishing results that everyone already expects.
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Look, science is by its nature an anarchistic enterprise. Scientists work for hundreds, even thousands, of different universities and research institutions, and each of these has its own hiring and retaining policies, independent of all the others. There is no single organization that approves or disapproves of any particular researcher.
These scientists publish in hundreds or even thousands of different journals and conferences, each of which has its own editorial policies and makes the decision to publish independently of all the other journals.
Funding is provided by hundreds of different public and private organizations, each of which makes its decisions independently of all the others.
If there were any truth to creationism, someone, somewhere is going to notice. That person will find a journal or conference somewhere in which to publish her findings. Other people are going to become aware of these results, and join the pro-creationist camp. Eventually, enough people would accept the creationist paradigm that they would be a significant presence in the scientific community.
Anyone who believes that creationism cannot make any headway because of bias in the system has no idea how science is done.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
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Chiroptera
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Message 6 of 91 (310589)
05-09-2006 6:47 PM
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05-09-2006 6:07 PM


The kinds of changes that this person is expecting needs at least several hundreds of thousands of years to come about.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 10 of 91 (310595)
05-09-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by SR71
05-09-2006 6:54 PM


It's time someone introduced you to TalkOrigins
TalkOrigins is a very nice resource. It is filled with page after page of good evidence for the theory of evolution and the age of life/the earth/the universe. These essays are written with creationism in mind, too. And they reference actual science papers on their topics -- real bibliographies!

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 37 of 91 (311110)
05-11-2006 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by SR71
05-11-2006 9:57 AM


Heh. Next time someone unloads a bunch of junk on you and you need quick answers, TalkOrigins has a nice Index of Creationist Claims; chances are, you'll find most, if not all, of them there.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 41 of 91 (311127)
05-11-2006 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by SR71
05-11-2006 3:35 PM


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Oops. Meant to abort the mission, but must have pressed the wrong button.
This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 11-May-2006 10:03 PM

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Chiroptera
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Message 50 of 91 (311250)
05-11-2006 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by SR71
05-11-2006 10:33 PM


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IMO, we have a logic simply because we have the most developed brains. Am I not right --- is it not that simple!?
Pretty much. Our larger brains endow us with greater intelligence, which allows us create all sorts of useful, artificial tools, like logic.

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 71 of 91 (311402)
05-12-2006 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by SR71
05-12-2006 11:23 AM


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I disprove his main points so instead of continuing to defend them, he simply brings in more. The good news is that he will eventually run out of things for me to disprove.
Heh. Note how much time and effort it takes you to thoroughly answer each of his points, and how little effort it takes for him to dump a dozen more on you. He has a good chance of winning the "debate" unless you are very, very patient.
This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 12-May-2006 03:45 PM

"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

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Chiroptera
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Message 76 of 91 (311626)
05-12-2006 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by SR71
05-12-2006 8:49 PM


Just for laughs, concede that maybe God created life on earth by fiat three and a half billion years ago. Then start going on about the evidence that life evolved after that.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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