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You can't just claim there are different messages, you have to show them.We are not talking about other religions here, only Xtians.

Again you bring up the topic of the banana. But from my very first post, I was against that analogy made by them.As a matter of fact, now I always get upset when "preachers" try to mix science with the gospel. It just shouldn't be done.Otherwise I like the lesson they teach you in the video. It is extremely effective at getting the message across. The video itself, may not be good for an athiest to see, but it is more of a training video anyway,not really meant for the athiest to see.Each person you talk to is different, and require a different set of answers, but the core of what they are teaching is the gospel, and even Einstein himself found it to be very compelling.Some people need to hear it presented in that way, because they just don't understand what it means(the gospel). Too many people are now growing up in school systems, and families that teach no religion to their children. So they grow up uninformed, and are unable to make a choice, or even start seeking for themselves.

Yeah, if the message is that it is embarassing to be known as a Christian and that Christians are idiots and bumbling fools, it's very effective.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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You can't just claim there are different messages, you have to show them.

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You can be a sexually active gay person and be a good Chrsitian.
You cannot be a sexually active gay person and be a good Christian.You need to do good works to earn a place in heaven.
You don't need to do good works to get into heaven but you do need to be "Born Again"The New Testament replaces the Old Testament.
The Old Testament rules (many of them, anyway) are still in effect.All human life is sacred, therefore euthanasia, abortion, and the death penalty are all against Christian morals, as is killing others in war (pacifism)
Some human life is sacred, therefore euthanasia and abortion are wrong, but the death penalty is OK, as is killing others in war.Would you like me to go on?Genesis/the factual claims of the Bible are literal truth.
Genesis/the factual claims of the Bible are not literal truth.We are currently in the End Times.
We are not currently in the End Times.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 05-09-2006 09:02 PM

Let's do a special review just for schraf, since she doesn't get it.Way back in Message 67 I said:

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Ask people who believe in God to explain the gospel of Jesus Christ in a few words, and see what happens.

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To which sideline asked in Message 68

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After you answer please explain why your answer is the correct one would you?

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and my answer in Message 69

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We all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of the Lord. Jesus bore the punishment for us, by giving His life, and all we have to do is "believe" in Him, and we are forgiven. We get to go to heaven.

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I believe this to be the correct answer based on following the teachings of Jesus, and being confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

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and then you jumped in with all your comments.So we are the subject of the gospel of Jesus, which if I am not mistaken is the same throughout Christianity.Your idea of the gospel is: Has nothing to do with the gospel I have no idea what doctrine you are talking about, but it is not the gospel.Yes, Jesus said we must be born again, but that comes with true belief, which is all you need to get into heaven. Try it sometime. This is such an ignorant of the wall statement, that I will not even address it. I am afraid your idea of Christianity is way off, and the truth is hidden from you.Again, it is not the gospel of Jesus. That might be the gospel according to riverrat, but not Jesus. Only if you want to look foolish. Is not the gospel of Jesus.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 05-09-2006 11:10 PM

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It's the whole kit bag of arguments! wow..

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So besides the banana thingy, I really don't see anyone putting down the actual "arguement" or more accurately the gospel of Jesus.Can anyone rebuke the gospel?Anyone here not a liar? (BTW, if you have ever told a lie, you are a liar, the word liar is past tense too)Anyone here not ever have lust after someone in their heart they weren't, or didn't get married too?Anyone here ever not steal?

how do I get a chance to be interviewed? I seriously want to make fools of these two. Those two episodes (the banana one and the other one) are absolutely hilarious. Of course they use unknowledgable people to prove their point. Imagine them interviewing someone who could really answe their questions. Wow.

Anyone here ever wash their hands? If so, you have killed MILLIONS of microbes. What does that make you?Killing is a sin in the eyes of God. (Ex 20:13)

You got your chance.Ready, let's go.Ever tell a lie?

Funny, you can find the verse, but you don't know what it means.

I know what people take it to mean.But there should probably be qualifiers on most of the commandments, at least according to my own morality. For example, if I lied to a murderer about the location of my family, that would probably be the morally superior action to take.

There is no 'argument' to put down. The whole thing is just a preposterously laughable and pathetically contrived series of analogies designed to distort logical thinking about biology in the minds of the uneducated.'Argument', my ass.This message has been edited by EZscience, 05-10-2006 11:59 AM

Hi Riverrat. If nobody can does that necessarily make it true or credible?Abe: necessarily. Removed: by defaultThis message has been edited by Infixion, 05-10-2006 10:25 AMThis message has been edited by Infixion, 05-10-2006 12:25 PM

That might depend on just what the "gospel" is.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You claim the events in the New Testament are rock solid.1) Where is the evidence of Jesus from before , oh 80 C.E. from outside of christian writings?2) WHere is the evidence that Herod had all the baby boys killed.3) Where is the evidence of a trial by the sandrehrin that violated both Roman and Jewish law?4) Where is there outside verification that any of the alleged miracles actually occured.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 05-10-2006 03:49 PM