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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
1. Why don't you believe in the divine? - There is little to no evidence that any religion I have ever been exposed to is correct. There is a lot of evidence that those religions are false.
2. Do you believe in anything without evidence? Nope {ABE}: Keep in mind that I don't DISBELIEVE in the possibility of the divine. I simply lack belief in it. I don't actively go out and state that there is no god/god(s)/etc. I can clearly see that every religion I have been exposed to is false... but that doesn't mean there isn't some kind of god/god(s). However, I won't be believing in them until I see evidence. I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone can be rational and believe in things that have no evidence, because where do you draw the line? Should I believe in orcs, goblins, elves, pixies, santa claus, yahweh, zeus, allah?????? I mean, if you are going to believe in one thing without any evidence why wouldn't you also believe in another? This message has been edited by SuperNintendo Chalmers, 05-11-2006 09:49 AM
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Oh, but He does. We are different from every other religion in that we are saved by faith. That's what believing is all about. Every religion makes some similar claim about why they are unique.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Jesus returns 161 million results
Sex returns 534 million results I guess I should worship the sex god. HAHAHAHAHAHA
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Hopefully when the mirth subsides you'll have gotten the point - and seen yours refuted Incidently, when Paul chose (in Romans 1) an example of human sinfulness on which to demonstrate Gods wrath poured out on all the ungodlyness and wickedness of men, it was sexual perversion that he used. What point? That the number of hits you get for a search term on google means something? I seriously hope that isn't your point.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Objectively he does stand out from the crowd. Um, no he doesn't. There are billions of people who disagree
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
But at least the best minds did one thing. They examined it. Anybody can sit in the stands hollering and booing. But it takes a bit of balls to get into the game. Why Christianity if you haven't the time or inclination to check them all out? No reason perhaps except this quiet one. With all the worlds religions (if you do a cursory inspection) your eternal position is decided upon what YOU do. Pray to the west, go to church, be good, get your act together, meditate, go to a monastery, seek enlightenment etc etc Have you ever seen the studies on correlation between intelligence and lack of religious belief? There is a reason that intelligence is correlated with a lack of religious belief; it doesn't take long for intelligent people to realize that most religions are ridiculous. (of course there are smart religious people as well, I don't mean to imply there aren't) One thing that I a lot of theists just don't get about atheists is that our lack of belief is just that. We place god on the same level as santa claus. It has little to do with morality or whatever (although I do think much of the "morality" preached by religion is actually evil)
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
I wonder which are the ones which fell outside the remit of the 'most' I should have said all..... but Deism, Buddishm and the like (which may or may not be religions) aren't obviously ridiculous. Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
The max. potential that Santa delivers is a Slaystation II game (at least down my way: did you know that you can have sex with a hooker on Grand Theft Auto - where X marks the spot?). God has the potential to deliver eternal life. If you want to coalesce the two then your choice. Rather weak it seems to me. Santa can only be less than us. God defines us. I can see you still don't understand at all. Maybe this will help..... Atheists see god/gods/etc/whatever the same way we see Q on Star Trek. And Q could actually make me omnipotent.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
It is safe to say that you know Q is a figment of human imagination (ref: Star Trek titles). Whereas you do not know the same about God. No I can say the same thing about god (at least a non-deist god). I am 100% sure that the judeo-christian god does not exist. The Universe directly contradicts the existence of an omnipotent/omnibenevolent god. It's certainly possible that creatures like Q exist... but it is not possible that the judeo christian god exists.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
They are deluded We have a winner
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Does your modelling take into account a perfectly Just and Wrathful God who is as 'constrained' to satisfying his justness and wrathfulness as he is 'constrained' to satisfying his love. Or are you guilty of dismantling a strawgod. Pure nonsense
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
You can only 'believe' because any evidence you gather can always be swept away by his appearance "on front" of you. Mine cannot be swept away because the evidence is of a quality that has satisfied the very highest court that any individual can refer to: their knowing something to be the case. And because you don't know him and because he loves you very, very much, he gives me a message to give to you. He asks me to tell you that he wants very much for you to know him too. That's all this space/time world is about. The whole thing set up for that one reason. To allow you to get to know him and to allow you to say "No! - I don't want to know you" No, I KNOW for a fact that your god does not exist. It is 100% obvious that someone made it all up long ago. Amazing how all those ancient myths resemble each other isn't it? You know god exists in the same way someone knows they were abducted by aliens or that elvis is still alive. I guess I should buy their BS too.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Does your modelling take into account a perfectly Just and Wrathful God who is as 'constrained' to satisfying his justness and wrathfulness as he is 'constrained' to satisfying his love. This ssntence is pure nonsensical rambling. You can't dissect my model since you admitted you don't even understand all the terms used! But in any case, I will leave you to your delusions. You are definitely an RBL thinker (restricted binary logic)
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Could you tell me, ultimately, where does the evidence for anything exist. Yup. In your own head... 100% false. There are MANY kinds of evidence that can be examined and investigated by others. We can both examine a rock, a soil sample, etc, etc
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5854 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
You supping from the RBL bottle too SNC? No because you and I can both look at and examine the same table, chair, rock, etc. etc. Look dude, I have definintely been to harsh on you here. If believing in whatever stuff you want to believe in works for you then fine. my position as an atheist is that I can't 100% say that all possible gods do not exist... but I can say with 100% certainly that every god I personally have been exposed to does not exist. This is simply by seeing that the existence of these god/god(s) is incompatible with reality.
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