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crashfrog
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Message 85 of 148 (309480)
05-05-2006 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by robinrohan
05-05-2006 5:45 PM


It's not my god, but anyway, what would be the purported reason for our thinking that the monster existed?
If there's no such thing as the FSM, then where did all this spaghetti and meatballs come from?

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crashfrog
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Message 88 of 148 (309495)
05-05-2006 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Parasomnium
05-05-2006 6:05 PM


Re: The non-existence of milk
I can vaporize my fridge wholesale and analyse the vapor using gas chromatography. If I find no traces of the atoms that make up milk, then I conclude there was no milk in my fridge. In principle, I can prove it.
If you can't have evidence of something not existing, how would that prove there was no milk in your fridge?
I cannot logically prove that milk does not exist at all.
What you're saying is, if you examine every space within your fridge large enough to contain some milk, and you don't find any milk in any of them, you can conclude that you don't have any milk in your fridge - even though you didn't look in the freezer, or inside each orange, or in the seal strip, or under the lid of the jar of pickles.
In other words, it's sufficient to look in all the places where you would reasonably expect milk to be to prove that there is no milk in your fridge at all. Right?

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crashfrog
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Message 98 of 148 (310010)
05-07-2006 3:04 PM


Is that really how you people live your lives? Working under the assumption that you can't know if something doesn't exist or didn't happen?
Hope you remembered to pack your goblin repellant, since you can't know that goblins don't exist, and that they won't molest you at the bus stop.

crashfrog
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Message 114 of 148 (310697)
05-10-2006 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Funkaloyd
05-10-2006 8:58 AM


Re: The non-existence of milk
Where would you reasonably expect a god to be?
Since he's defined as "omnipresent" I would expect him to be everywhere at once. The fact that he's not anywhere you choose to look is a pretty convincing disproof of his existence.

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crashfrog
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Message 116 of 148 (310720)
05-10-2006 11:01 AM
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05-10-2006 10:53 AM


Re: The non-existence of milk
For a very long time microbes, atoms and non-Euclidean shapes weren't anywhere we looked.
Irrelevant, since none of those things are defined, in part as "being everywhere at once, simultaneously."

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crashfrog
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Message 118 of 148 (310771)
05-10-2006 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Funkaloyd
05-10-2006 11:08 AM


Re: The non-existence of milk
I don't understand the question, I guess. Do you mean volume?

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crashfrog
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Message 121 of 148 (311034)
05-11-2006 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
05-11-2006 11:52 AM


Re: Non-existence of milk/Flood/Thor/Lasagne
The layers themselves, the great numbers of fossils themselves, trump the whole bit about ordering.
But the devil is in the details, so you have it precisely backwards - it's the Flood-inconsistent ordering that trumps the layers and the large numbers of fossils being evidence for the flood. The specific disproves the general, not the other way around.

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crashfrog
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Message 124 of 148 (311039)
05-11-2006 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
05-11-2006 12:33 PM


Re: Non-existence of milk/Flood/Thor/Lasagne
Most of it is consistent with it -- marine life in the lower layers, land animals in the upper layers for instance.
That's not the ordering, though. The ordering is often very specific - hominids are never found below dinosaurs, etc. Some of the ordering isn't even probable. For instance we don't find grasses anywhere but the highest levels. We don't even find it's pollen, which nowadays is literally everywhere (which if you have hay fever, you're all too aware of by now), fossilized anywhere but the highest levels.
And since the layers themselves and the fossils themselves are consistent with a worldwide flood explanation and not at all with a slow deposition explanation, this puts the preponderant weight of evidence on the side of the flood.
That's a false statement, as you well know.

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crashfrog
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Message 126 of 148 (311046)
05-11-2006 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
05-11-2006 1:08 PM


Re: Non-existence of milk/Flood/Thor/Lasagne
Oh, right. How dare I question the word of Faith?
You're unbeliveable.

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crashfrog
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Message 133 of 148 (311260)
05-11-2006 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by NosyNed
05-11-2006 1:48 PM


Re: Faith's ordering
The lowest layers are all marine life and there are land animals in the upper layers only.
You really think that's true? That the most recent fossils in every region are strictly terrestrial fauna?
Or did I just not understand you?
Regardless, to say that "marine at the bottom and terrestrial at the top" constitutes the pattern and ordering of fossils in the fossil record is so great an overstatement that it simply can't be considered a true statement. The fossil ordering we see is that older fossils are at the bottom and younger ones at the top; and that, generally, simpler fossils are older and more complex derivatives are younger. And, indeed, the simplest fossils were marine organisms because it's simpler to live in the ocean than on land.
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crashfrog
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Message 137 of 148 (311274)
05-11-2006 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
05-11-2006 11:06 PM


Re: Faith's ordering
So you prefer the Standard Explanation about the ordering. That doesn't make what I said false.
Uh, I think my post made it pretty clear that it does.

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crashfrog
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Message 142 of 148 (311316)
05-12-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
05-12-2006 12:26 AM


Re: Nice that you know
You CANNOT prove a negative.
Isn't that a negative?
And so, wouldn't you have to be able to prove a negative in order to actually prove that you can't prove a negative?

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