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Or that the Flood of Noah never happened.

Of course I haven't seen it as an EvC topic that evolutionists claim to have proven the nonexistence of Thor and his great work, as they so illogically do the Flood. The nonexistence of which Great Work of Thor's, you are right, is equally unprovable.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-06-2006 07:54 PM

Well, I see evidence everywhere for the Flood, everywhere on the planet, so I must disagree with you about this. You know, all those fossils, all those layers of various sediments etc.

I've argued it in many places and I don't know if I did the best job of it on this thread.

Look around, do you see layers of sediments in your area, are there fossils in your area?

I'm quite surprised at you for this lapse in logic. There are in fact fossils and layers, and they aren't layers of marinara and lasagne noodles and bits.abe: Title modified in response to following post by Nosy Ned.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-09-2006 02:03 PM

The layers themselves, the great numbers of fossils themselves, trump the whole bit about ordering. In themselves they are fantastic evidence for the flood and ridiculously incompatible with the notion of slow deposition over millions of years.And "we don't find such evidence" is the same thing as claiming to prove a negative. Doesn't work. "What you'd expect to find" is hardly on the level of scientific data.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-11-2006 11:56 AM

But the ordering is not necessarily a problem for the flood. Most of it is consistent with it -- marine life in the lower layers, land animals in the upper layers for instance. And since the layers themselves and the fossils themselves are consistent with a worldwide flood explanation and not at all with a slow deposition explanation, this puts the preponderant weight of evidence on the side of the flood.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-11-2006 12:37 PM

What I said about the ordering is true. End of off-topic discussion.

You guys are off topic or otherwise I might have more to say on the topic. Thank you at least for acknowledging that what I did say was correct.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-11-2006 02:05 PM

Oh well I guess we go off-topicking on.So you prefer the Standard Explanation about the ordering. That doesn't make what I said false.

And to all of you: Alas, the bad faith and self delusion that is in evidence on this thread is on the part of those who deny the one true God, on whose revelation I base my contentions about the Flood.

Dear dear dear. How the ad hominems do proliferate. I think if you're in shock you should probably lie down, keep warm.

You CANNOT prove a negative.The evidence for it is simply currently co-opted to other purposes, but there is plenty of it.

Irrelevant what the "general consensus" is -- and that's just conjecture on your part -- talking about ME instead of the topic is an ad hominem, and especially making my supposed failings the gist of the argument ABOUT the topic -- VERY bad form.This message has been edited by Faith, 05-12-2006 11:17 AM