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robinrohan
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Message 142 of 170 (311497)
05-12-2006 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by kuresu
05-12-2006 5:14 PM


Re: Heritable traits
The person carrying the gene just has to mate in order to pass it down, barring the unlikely scenario that you quoted that I gave.
Just the fact that the unlikely scenario is possible means the process is not absolute. However unlikely, it might not happen.

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robinrohan
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Message 144 of 170 (311502)
05-12-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by kuresu
05-12-2006 5:23 PM


Re: Heritable traits
the right partner is not needed in order to pass on the gene, that person just has to mate.
OK, so being born homozygous dominant has nothing to do with the parents.

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robinrohan
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Message 146 of 170 (311507)
05-12-2006 5:33 PM
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05-12-2006 5:31 PM


Re: Heritable traits
it has everything to do with the parents. my objection was when you said that in order to pass on the gene the person with it needed to mate with the "right person".
OK, I must be confused about who's being born homozygous dominant. I thought you meant the offspring of the one with the positive trait.

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robinrohan
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Message 148 of 170 (311515)
05-12-2006 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by kuresu
05-12-2006 5:38 PM


Re: Heritable traits
in the quote, do you mean by appearance the phenotypical expression of the gene? phenotype is the physical characteristics of the organism. Genotype is the genetic characteristics of the organism. genotype controls phenotype.
I have that terminology down. But something can be passed on either recessively or dominantly. Just because it's recessive, it doesn't mean it can't appear later. I thought you were saying that there was one unlikely scenario in which the positive trait would not be passed down at all.
Come to think of it though, if it doesn't appear in the phenotype (if it's recessive), it wouldn't affect survival rate, I would assume.

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robinrohan
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Message 150 of 170 (311524)
05-12-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by kuresu
05-12-2006 6:05 PM


Re: Heritable traits
i was
OK, but just to clear this up, it doesn't have anything to do with the partner? It's just about the genetic make-up of the individual with the positive trait?

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robinrohan
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Message 152 of 170 (311557)
05-12-2006 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by kuresu
05-12-2006 7:07 PM


Re: Heritable traits
Ok, we can conclude the following:
We need two ingredients for evolution to occur:
1. a non-neutral trait must appear in the phenotype.
2. the genetic make-up of the individual with the non-neutral trait must be such that the non-neutral trait can be passed down to the next generation.
Neither of these are absolutes. But they are probabilities.

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robinrohan
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Message 153 of 170 (311563)
05-12-2006 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chiroptera
05-03-2006 6:01 PM


2. Fact: The population of most species are not increasing.
Wouldn't it depend on how long they've been increasing and what rate?
Perhaps most species are increasing but haven't been doing so for very long, or perhaps the rate of increase is so small we don't notice it. Is that theoretically possible?
Are you going to answer this question or not? I already asked you twice.
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robinrohan
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Message 161 of 170 (311888)
05-15-2006 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by NosyNed
05-14-2006 12:54 PM


Re: Skirting the issue
Maybe RR can help by clarifying what he is looking for or why he is asking what appears to be a question with an obvious answer
I'm trying to figure out what is meant by a "fact" as used in the OP.
Also I'm tyring to figure out if the OP is talking about the present day or in historical terms.
I'm trying to find out if these facts are inevitable.

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robinrohan
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Message 163 of 170 (313309)
05-18-2006 7:16 PM


Chiroptera
What do you mean by a "fact," as used in the OP? Is it a probability or a certainty?
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

Statement of basic position: I am a nihilist, which means, in my sense of the word, that life has no objective purpose. This entails a lack of belief in God. My beliefs are tentative.

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