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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 76 of 310 (312133)
05-15-2006 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by iano
05-15-2006 1:16 PM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
Hopefully when the mirth subsides you'll have gotten the point - and seen yours refuted
Incidently, when Paul chose (in Romans 1) an example of human sinfulness on which to demonstrate Gods wrath poured out on all the ungodlyness and wickedness of men, it was sexual perversion that he used.
What point? That the number of hits you get for a search term on google means something? I seriously hope that isn't your point.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
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Message 77 of 310 (312134)
05-15-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by iano
05-15-2006 6:10 PM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
Objectively he does stand out from the crowd.
Um, no he doesn't. There are billions of people who disagree

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iano
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Message 78 of 310 (312140)
05-15-2006 7:10 PM
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05-15-2006 6:53 PM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
Name another person in history who is more prominant and had more impact than him. Encylopedia Britannica has an entry on him running to 30,000 words. I'm sure he is more prominant in Wiki than anyone else. Google has spoken already today.
Gallingly, atheists add to that prominance by spending lots of time talking about him - even if it is only to argue against his existance.

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rokfaith
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Message 79 of 310 (312186)
05-15-2006 8:22 PM


wow
i quite like the number-of-google-results-proves-me logic, so i will use it too:
jesus: 209,000,000
bill: 1,050,000,000
all hail bill
but now to my real point:
theist: 755,000
atheist: 25,600,000
theism: 2,500,000
atheism: 12,500,000
this PROVES atheists are right, or there are no theists, or theism is wrong or whatever...

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Coragyps
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Message 80 of 310 (312193)
05-15-2006 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by rokfaith
05-15-2006 8:22 PM


greetings
Hello, new person! Welcome!

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rokfaith
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Message 81 of 310 (312196)
05-15-2006 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Coragyps
05-15-2006 8:30 PM


Re: greetings
thank you. i've been lurking for a long time. had to post something.
i forgot to answers to the original questions:
1. Why don't you believe in the divine?
no need for it.
2. Do you believe in anything without evidence?
it would be quite time-consuming if i wouldn't. but there is no connection between those two points. the things i 'believe' without evidence are within reason.

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ReverendDG
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Message 82 of 310 (312205)
05-15-2006 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by iano
05-15-2006 7:10 PM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
socrates maybe?
he did effect philsophy in all kinds of ways, including how it works how people debate philsophy and come up with new ideas
i guess arguing from majority is suposed to sway us to your view ian?
come on man you've been on evc long enough to know that is a fallacy that doesn't work. It wasn't jesus who is prominant but the stories, beliefs and ideas about him that are prominant. to attribute the popularity of jesus to jesus is just narrowing the pov. he's dead he didn't do a damn thing
Google has spoken already today.
sorry but using how many hits a term comes up with on google is inane at the highest, you don't seem to realize the number of hits something has is useless, anyone can put a word under the key listing in the html so google picks it up, thats what they do with porn sites so they get more hits
Gallingly, atheists add to that prominance by spending lots of time talking about him - even if it is only to argue against his existance.
he's a religous figure of nearly 2 billion people or more, and they talk about him a lot, whats your point?
being the subject of a religion with a huge following would mean the subject would be talkeb about, its kind of hard to talk about christianity without talking about christ don't you think?
Edited by ReverendDG, : typos and such

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iano
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Message 83 of 310 (312206)
05-15-2006 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by rokfaith
05-15-2006 8:22 PM


Re: wow
this PROVES atheists are right, or there are no theists, or theism is wrong or whatever...
How does it prove it? I don't recall using Google to prove anything
(only kidding...I'll take the CAPITALS as indicating tongue-in-cheek)
But remember...
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Welcome to EvC rokfaith.

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fallacycop
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Message 84 of 310 (312259)
05-15-2006 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by iano
05-15-2006 2:08 PM


iano writes:
Would you fancy relationships with folk who had no choice but to obey you? Not much fun in that after the novelty wore off. Not much chance for love to flourish either.
Fair enouth. But would you then curse that folk and thousands of generations after them if they did not obey you? Eventhough they had no knowlege of good and evil at the time of transgretion? The size of a punishment must match the size of the transgretion. I think that selfish little god of yours is just throughing a tantrum for not having things his own way

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riVeRraT
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Message 85 of 310 (312260)
05-15-2006 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by fallacycop
05-15-2006 9:26 AM


Re: Holy Spirit/Born Again questions
Some people might think you're still kidding yourself. How would they know otherwise?
Might?, lol.
They do, and they wouldn't know. We can guess, and judge people by their actions. A good tree only bears good fruit, etc.
Shouldn't matter either way, since we are supposed to treat everyone with love. I don't like the idea of it being some kind of exclusive club. Because I don't know who will go to heaven or not.

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riVeRraT
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Message 86 of 310 (312263)
05-15-2006 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Larni
05-15-2006 9:50 AM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
You may not believe this, but from a very young age I was questioning stuff.
I was in my mothers arms, and she was pointing at several cars lined up in rows. She said, see your dad, he's there drag racing. I said to myself, a drag race is between 2 people, why do I see more cars than I can count?
I was 1.5 years old.
It took me 25 years before I found out the answer to that question, when I came full circle, and brought my car to the track, and saw the staging lanes, and it all came back to me. My dad was in the staging lanes. What a trip.
I never believed in anything, unless I had objective evidence. Now I find myself in an odd place of believing something without objective evidence.
Being exposed to xian concepts is the only way to make a xian. The default position is very definitely not belief in christianity. We may learn to believe in anything. But only to what we are exposed to.
Somewhere along the way, somebody had to make this stuff up.

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riVeRraT
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Message 87 of 310 (312269)
05-15-2006 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-15-2006 12:40 PM


Re: Why I have a disbelief
Every religion makes some similar claim about why they are unique.
Without opening up a can of worms as to why Christianity IS different from every other religion, who cares what religion claims?

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riVeRraT
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Message 88 of 310 (312270)
05-15-2006 11:52 PM
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05-15-2006 8:22 PM


Re: wow
theist: 755,000
atheist: 25,600,000
theism: 2,500,000
atheism: 12,500,000
That's because all the pages with the word atheist on it, are actually theist's pages talking about atheism.
Call back when you have read them all.

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robinrohan
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Message 89 of 310 (312272)
05-15-2006 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by riVeRraT
05-15-2006 11:52 PM


Re: wow
That's because all the pages with the word atheist on it, are actually theist's pages talking about atheism.
Call back when you have read them all.
Who cares about what's popular?
What matters is the truth.

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fallacycop
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Message 90 of 310 (312274)
05-15-2006 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by riVeRraT
05-15-2006 11:32 PM


Re: Holy Spirit/Born Again questions
Some people might think you're still kidding yourself. How would they know otherwise?
Might?, lol.
They do, and they wouldn't know.
My point, exactly. Eventhough your account of how you became religious was very touching (I really mean it), your personal epiphany (I'm almost sure that's not the correct speling) cannot be transfered to other people. You're basically saying that you feel in your heart that there is a true god. To answer the OP question, atheists do not feel that in their heart.
I don't like the idea of it being some kind of exclusive club. Because I don't know who will go to heaven or not.
Point taken. I had noticed that from your previous posts too. You come across as one of the more openminded of the posters in the "Faith and belief" side of the coin in this forum.
Unlike, for instance, Faith that stated recently in another thread that people die of AIDS as punishment from god for their sins (what a load os crap...)

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