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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
You mean a big reduction in the 'unwelcome risks' associated with sex would have no impact on a persons decision making process? You mean to say that if there were no pill tomorrow that woman (and to a lesser extent men - for they don't have to bare the brunt) would carry on unaffected by the increased risk. You seem to be giving women less than due credit in the good sense department. Like a second bite at answering the question asked Jar?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
AIDS wasn't in North America 40 years ago. Chlamydia wasn't recognized as an STD then. Exactly. I'm talking about the NEW STDs, the ones never heard of before, before the term "STDs" was invented because of the proliferation of same. Syphilis and gonorrhea are oldies that were finally conquered by antibiotics. But AIDs and Chlamydia are examples of what I'm talking about, the increase in brand new STDs since the Sexual Revolution. Genital warts or HPV, which is a pre-cancerous condition is another. Genital herpes took off in the 70s as I recall, followed by AIDS in the 80s. Both HPV and herpes are incurable, being viruses. You can only keep them symptomatically controlled and have to live with them the rest of your life. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
More on just how stupid and dangerous the program is.
Just this month yet another report came out of the abject failure of abstinence only programs and the fact that they are just another example of the Christian Right intolerance and their continued attempts to force their unsupported nonsense on the rest of the population.
"It was clear that there was not a scintilla of something positive about the abstinence education method," said Michelle Gress, counsel for Souder on the subcommittee. Scientists have complained about increasing government interference. Last year, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration officials told coordinators of a conference on suicide prevention to remove the words gay, lesbian and bisexual from its program and add a session on faith-based suicide prevention. This was the first time, conference organizers said, that a single politician had so clearly interfered and achieved such dramatic results. The concern, they said, was that studies on sexual behavior would not be made public if they jarred with the administration's views on abstinence and other public-health issues. "At the CDC, they're beside themselves," said Jonathan Zenilman, president of the American Sexually Transmitted Diseases Association and conference organizer. "These people aren't scientists; they haven't written anything. The only reason they're here is because of political pressure from the administration." From here. We need to wake up and realize that the Christian Right is but the American Taliban and is the biggest threat facing the US today. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nope, I answered it. The readers will make their own judgements.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
And H5N1 influenza - "bird flu" - didn't exist ten years ago. SARS either. The incidence nearly has to rise if it starts at zero.
What point are you driving at, Faith? "STD" just replaced "VD" because nobody took Latin anymore - "venereal" didn't mean anything if you hadn't.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The range of diseases spread by sexual activity continues to increase. Sexually transmitted hepatitis A and B are becoming more common. Hepatitis C may also be spread sexually, although the risk of this is lower. The increase in STDs worldwide can be partly explained by people starting sexual activity at a younger age and having more sexual partners. The use of the oral contraceptive pill and IUCDs has also reduced the rate of condom use. SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES (STDs) Edited by Faith, : added bolds
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Evaluation of these 11 programs showed few short-term benefits and no lasting, positive impact. A few programs showed mild success at improving attitudes and intentions to abstain. No program was able to demonstrate a positive impact on sexual behavior over time. A description follows of short- and long-term impacts, by indicator. From here. Abstinence only programs were simply yet another way for the Christian Right to dip in and steal from the Tax Base. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And H5N1 influenza - "bird flu" - didn't exist ten years ago. SARS either. The incidence nearly has to rise if it starts at zero. Answer from article linked in #36:
quote: Followed by statement about increase in promiscuous sexual activity and lowering of age.
"STD" just replaced "VD" because nobody took Latin anymore - "venereal" didn't mean anything if you hadn't. We all knew what the term meant without having taken Latin, but we also thought of syphilis and gonorrhea as covering the field. A new clearer term was needed because of the rapid spread of the new STDs.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The first evaluation of programs used throughout the state has found that students in almost all high school grades were more sexually active after abstinence education. From here. The evidence just continues to mount that the Christian Right who are pusing the Abstinence programs are willing to lie about anything to achieve their goals. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
My answer to the "failure" of abstinence programs has already been given. It's irrelevant. In my view it's a moral problem, not a mere health problem and you won't deal with the health issues UNLESS you deal with it as a moral problem.
ABE: Trying to enforce moral law always provokes more acting out against it, and especially in a time when sexual morality has been so discredited as it has been in our time. But it is a Law of God, whether we are able to appreciate it in that light or not, and you can fiddle with the health factors all you want, give out all the condoms and provide all the health services and so on, and it's only going to get worse. At least we should be trying to get across the moral factor whether it gets heard or not, and I suppose it won't get heard, but it's the crucial thing nevertheless. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Faith, you are so ignorant of human nature and history it isn't even funny any more, it's sad. Humans have been having sex out of wedlock since they've been human. It's at no higher rate now than in the past and may even be lower as marriage in ancient times was more for the propertied. In some cultures there were trial marriages (as in, try to get her pregnant) and if no child was created, you tried with someone else. Why don't you go read up on history and science and educate yourself?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My answer to the "failure" of abstinence programs has already been given. It's irrelevant. In my view it's a moral problem, not a mere health problem and you won't deal with the health issues UNLESS you deal with it as a moral problem. We know that is your position. It's another example of the Christian Right Taliban trying to impose their personal morals on the world. But it is also a way for them to move money from the Public Tax Base into their little money making cons. But it also a failure morally as the last link I posted pointed out, a failure in reducing promiscuity. Just as back in the 50s and 60s, the girls and boys that are the most sexually active are those from the Abstinence Programs. The whole Abstinence Only approach is just another example of the Wilfull Ignorance of the Christian Right. They are perfectly willing to ignore the fact that the programs don't work to reduce pregnancy or STDs. They are perfectly willing to ignore the evidence that the students that are actually MORE likely to be sexually active than those that recieve a balance sex-education. As long as the Christian Right can continue to move the money to their little congames they are perfectly willing to lie about the effectiveness of the program. Just follow the money. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh well, the ignorance is on your side but PC tells you different and there's no fighting PC. I lived through it, KJ, I practiced it. I know how things changed from the 50s through the 60s. I was part of it. You aren't even addressing the same subject. Rampant promiscuity regarded as normal, as status quo, is what was unleashed in the sixties, not "trial marriages," not the usual child out of wedlock that always happened in some proportion of the population. The incidence of marriage isn't even relevant since marriage didn't need formalities in many cultures.
Read the article about the increase in STDs and get your self-righteous head out of the PC sand.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We know that is your position. Hardly. If you KNOW that is my position you can't answer it with statistics about how sexual activity increases when abstinence is taught, because that is totally irrelevant to my position, but that's all anybody here has had to say. Except for ignorant head in the sand denial of the increase in STDs.
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