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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design explains many follies
RAZD
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Message 286 of 302 (312617)
05-16-2006 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by simple
05-15-2006 1:13 AM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
Interesting. John 10-10 is banned and you are answering for him.
His creating things eliminates other possiblities. 100%.
Logically false.
You could have 10 deities creating 10 different things, and this would not suddenly require 9 deities and their creations to dissappear in a puff of green smoke and mirrors.
You have your beliefs, John 10:10 has his.
And one of us uses logic with no conflicts with all the evidence around us, while the other denies the reality in front of him.
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ReverendDG
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Message 287 of 302 (312635)
05-16-2006 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by simple
05-15-2006 1:13 AM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
Only if there were no God, of the type, say, the US has claimed to believe in. His creating things eliminates other possiblities. 100%. You have your beliefs, John 10:10 has his.
and thus, ID is not science and never will be if we can not find structure to ID. The second we start talking about belief is the moment it loses all credibility

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simple 
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Message 288 of 302 (312640)
05-16-2006 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Jon
05-16-2006 8:25 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
quote:
This may be, but then both of you should be posting in the Faith and Belief forum, and not the science forum.
I had said to someone that he had his beliefs, and this John had his, mine never entered the picture. Try to focus.
quote:
It most certainly does not. Even if He did create some things, to jump to conclusion that He has created EVERYTHING (which would rule our other possibilities), is a little hasty.
Sorry to join in this so late. I should probably go back and address the opening post before continuing.
No, not if we ware talking the God of the bible, we can say that. In this case that happens to be the majority God in question as well. Fancy that.

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simple 
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Message 289 of 302 (312641)
05-16-2006 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by John 10:10
04-20-2006 1:20 PM


quote:
Science must deal with things that can be proven to a high degree of certainty over time with repeatable results, not with theories that can never be proven in their entirety.
Gosh, you're gonna spoil their fun.

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simple 
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Message 290 of 302 (312642)
05-16-2006 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by ReverendDG
05-16-2006 11:06 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
Maybe we can add ID to the long list of things that aren't science. Why, does it claim to be science?

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simple 
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Message 291 of 302 (312643)
05-16-2006 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by RAZD
05-16-2006 9:39 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
quote:
Interesting. John 10-10 is banned and you are answering for him.
I am? I thought I was speaking for myself. Oh well, maybe I should change my forum name to 'defender of the weak', or some such.
quote:
Logically false.
You could have 10 deities creating 10 different things, and this would not suddenly require 9 deities and their creations to dissappear in a puff of green smoke and mirrors.
Maybe in your head in the land of make believe! Not in the real world, and in the land of the majority God in question. That is beyond your power to question. Far beyond.
quote:
And one of us uses logic with no conflicts with all the evidence around us, while the other denies the reality in front of him
Thank you for that. It takes a big man to admit that. God bless you.
Edited by whisper, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 292 of 302 (312663)
05-17-2006 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by simple
05-16-2006 11:49 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
I erred, I will admit. I should not have included you in my post. It is only John and one other member that you claimed were displaying their beliefs and you did not say you were doing the same.
quote:
No, not if we ware talking the God of the bible, we can say that. In this case that happens to be the majority God in question as well. Fancy that.
If you are talking the God of the Bible, then I would suppose you are right. Especially if you are talking about the method of creation as mentioned in the Bible, because the Bible claims that it is the only way things happened, and so in believing the Bible, you would have to believe that there was no other way. Then again, this is for a different forum.
And another thing, on your other point about the U.S. and what they have claimed to believe in. You make this statement as if all people in the U.S. believe in the same thing, and in the same God... when we most certainly do not! To say "of the type, say, the US has claimed to believe in" doesn't narrow down anything at all. However, this is also something for another forum.
Also, instead of trying to make your posts wordy and make yourself sound smart, you would be better understood if you were simply concise and to-the-point with what you're saying. And please don't take personal offense to this.
Trék

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simple 
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Message 293 of 302 (312935)
05-17-2006 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Jon
05-17-2006 4:12 AM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
quote:
I erred, I will admit. I should not have included you in my post.
Thank you.
quote:
If you are talking the God of the Bible, then I would suppose you are right
Thanks again.
quote:
And another thing, on your other point about the U.S. and what they have claimed to believe in. You make this statement as if all people in the U.S. believe in the same thing, and in the same God... when we most certainly do not!
Look up 'majority', and see how it difers from 'all people'.
quote:
Also, instead of trying to make your posts wordy and make yourself sound smart, you would be better understood if you were simply concise and to-the-point with what you're saying.
OK, I'll try to use baby english.

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RAZD
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Message 294 of 302 (312993)
05-17-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by simple
05-16-2006 11:58 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
Maybe in your head in the land of make believe!
Ad hominem - attacking the person and not the message - logical fallacy.
... and in the land of the majority God in question.
Argumentum ad populum - appeal to popularity - logical fallacy.
That is beyond your power to question. Far beyond.
(implied) Appeal to Consequences - logical fallacy.
And of course ignoring the fact that I did question it. Simply and directly ... with no consequences implied or otherwise ...
So in one paragraph you have 3 logical fallacies and one demonstrated false statement.
maybe I should change my forum name to 'defender of the weak', or some such.
Better try "some such" as "Defender of the Weak" doesn't fit.
Thank you for that. It takes a big man to admit that. God bless you.
Predictable tripe. I've demonstrated both your and John 10-10's logical failings, feel free to demonstrate mine.
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Jon
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Message 295 of 302 (313011)
05-17-2006 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by simple
05-17-2006 4:13 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
Look up 'majority', and see how it difers from 'all people'.
Why bother? You never said anything about "majority."
quote:
of the type, say, the US has claimed to believe in.
You see?
You did say "majority" in another post, but I don't know what to do about that because it seems somewhat contradictory.
OK, I'll try to use baby english.
You won't sound stupid because you are concise. All that will happen is that people will be able to understand your messages the first time they read them. The main problem with your wordiness, however, is that you seem to flat out misuse some constructions and phrases.
Trék

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simple 
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Message 296 of 302 (313037)
05-18-2006 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by RAZD
05-17-2006 9:02 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
"You could have 10 deities creating 10 different things, and this would not suddenly require 9 deities and their creations to dissappear in a puff of green smoke and mirrors."
quote:
Ad hominem - attacking the person and not the message - logical fallacy.
Afraid not. There is no way to pull deities out of anywhere else. when it comes to what the bible talks about. It has the one creator. Saying others you dream up might exist doesn't come from the God of the majority of the US. Call it illogical and a fallacy if you like. Empty words. Empty reason.
quote:
And of course ignoring the fact that I did question it. Simply and directly ... with no consequences implied or otherwise ...
No idea what you are talking about.
quote:
Better try "some such" as "Defender of the Weak" doesn't fit.
Actually, john is not just weak on this thread, apparently he is dead.
quote:
Predictable tripe. I've demonstrated both your and John 10-10's logical failings, feel free to demonstrate mine.
OK. You have actually demondtrated nothing at all! Sorry that is news to you. Is this why you haunt threads where the party you are responding to can't talk back? ha.

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simple 
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Message 297 of 302 (313038)
05-18-2006 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Jon
05-17-2006 11:18 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
quote:
You did say "majority" in another post..
Thank you.

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Message 298 of 302 (313107)
05-18-2006 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by RAZD
05-16-2006 9:39 PM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
RAZD writes:
Interesting. John 10-10 is banned and you are answering for him.
John 10:10 wasn't banned, his permissions were removed from the science forums, see Message 273.
All members with forum restrictions had them removed with the release of dBoard 2.0, so John 10:10 can once again post here if he wishes. However, if he sees this I caution him to give some thought and attention to why he was presenting so contradictory a picture of himself that it was a consistent force drawing the thread off-topic. If that problem reappears then his permissions in the science forums will again be removed.

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Message 299 of 302 (313109)
05-18-2006 6:18 AM


Forum Guidelines Warning
This thread seems to be degenerating into petty bickering. If the level of discourse isn't elevated soon there'll have to be some kind of administrative action, perhaps rewarding the guilty and punishing the innocent.
Seriously, we can do better.

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Jon
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Message 300 of 302 (313209)
05-18-2006 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by simple
05-18-2006 12:54 AM


Re: Probabilities ... wrong again?
I was hoping you would be able add more to your argument (lets say, a fact or two), but that will not be happening, as I've just posted the 300th post.
Trék

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