Why Atheists don't believe

Q is no more or less reasonable than any other omnipotent being that is conjectured by humans.You are right, we don't KNOW anything about something for which there is nothing that CAN be known (by definition it seems). As many have noted: we see numerous individuals touting one or another higher form of sentience we see them as interesting as a sociological study they are otherwise uninteresting.Though I find the Egyptian pantheon a bit more interesting.

It is safe to say that you know Q is a figment of human imagination (ref: Star Trek titles). Whereas you do not know the same about God. Do you mean unless YOU know then nothing can be known? Or perhaps you mean unless WE can know according to some arbitary system an arbitary WE chose to measure 'knowing' by, then God cannot be known. Do you not need to calibrate all those arbitaries against something concrete NN? And if not why not? This doesn't really appeal to an argument from anywhere (not that I am always innocent what your doing the same here myself)
Edited by iano, : Typos and clarifyEdited by iano, : heck its late

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Carpenter from Nazareth seeks joiners

And you owe this line of thinking to what?One could even argue that the differences between the gospel according to jar, and some of the things I believe, and the way you voice them will send people running from Christianity.You will not convert the world, or "show people evidence" by giving into them. Yet you must be realistic, and I appreciate your approach, I am fine with it.

Oh, absolutely. I am my own worse enemy, and my short comings can interfere with what Jesus wants for us.My avatar is just a joke, representing the battle that goes on in here. I think it's funny. I don't take the debating all that seriously, but I do take the people in here seriously.The reason I don't take the debating all that seriously, is because we all have something to learn, and it sucks to be set in our ways. Also because I fall in the middle of a lot of issues. More than anything else. It's the churches fault (people) for the lack of participation. But we are not totally to blame. All the so-called smart people who "know what God isn't" don't really make an effort to correct it. Insted they just leave the church, and point fingers.
It takes 2 to tango, so I am not taking all the blame for anything. jar wants to quickly to put all the Christians down, but the bible says love everyone like yourself, not just atheists. Yes, even the bad will draw you to God. Even the disbelief will. I think I do, so that is what I am trying to clue them in on.
It's ok to be irate. Hopefully. and make some friends along the way.Your not arrogant, but helpful, I love your spirit.

I think that is very, very clear from what I said. You can argue anything. That has nothing to do with facts or reality. I don't think I have ever suggested giving in to people. What I suggest is that Christians might consider trying to live a Christian life. Preach by example. It's what you do that testifies. And the testimony that Atheists see most often is what I outlined above.That testimony will not sway anyone to Christianity. Why would anyone want to be associated with the intolerant, the exclusionary, the ignorant, the dishonest and the conman?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No I can say the same thing about god (at least a non-deist god). I am 100% sure that the judeo-christian god does not exist. The Universe directly contradicts the existence of an omnipotent/omnibenevolent god.It's certainly possible that creatures like Q exist... but it is not possible that the judeo christian god exists.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

But Q does exist, he appeared in the Star Trek series to spread his gospel.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

If it was, I wouldn't have asked. I think you do not know what I am talking about. exactly. You don't do anything on a forum, you just write words, and they get mis-interpreted.In real life you can show people love, and "walk the walk". Even still, your not Jesus, and neither am I. It's all relative.Can you keep your comments about the video, to that thread, it has no place here. I am mearly exploring why atheists don't believe, and if they believe in anything at all.If you or any of the atheists are as smart as you say you are, then you should know that you cannot rely on other people to find God. Christians are not Jesus, and who they are in Christ is relative to who they were in the world.

And what does that have to do with anything?The video was only one example. When Christians bring up absurdities like the 350 prophecies, or show their intolerance and bigotry, when they support wilfull ignorance, they do not lead people to Christianity.You asked why atheists don't believe. IMHO the answer is that they look at the visible Christians and say "I simply don't want to be even vaguely associated with the Christians I see."

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes, but as was hashed out on another forum you have no way to demonstrate that your "truth" is anything more than a belief.It's certainly not a prediction derived from a theory as you have no empircally supported hypothesis. You have only your belief.So, to return to the point it would (in my opinion only, of course) seem deeply unjust of God to discern between any type of religious faith as they all seek and work with their own set of "truths" - their own paths to God, so to speak.Your faith is no more true than any of the others.The baseless, arrogant assumption that one group has special access to God over all others is one of the traits of fundamentalist religion I most dislike. I'm pretty sure you really think Christianity is true! In any case what you are implying here is that belief of the "wrong" kind incurs Godly punishment for making the "wrong" choice. Yet by some sick conincidence God seems to have created any number of religions with which to confuse people. You might well argue that this represents "temptation". Sounds like a sick joke to me.So no rethink, then.Edited by RickJB, : Tags fixed.

I completely agree with every word that you have written here. You got it bang on the nail.Much better than I could have put it.

NO on no! You keep saying you KNOW it!You BELIEVE it!Two very different things.

So what? That's their belief. They have no empirical evidence. You seem to think I haven't read into religion, but I promise you I have, quite deeply. When one boils down through either the passionate scolarly endeavour or the beautiful devotional art one is left with a central set of very basic absurdities whose primary use is directed towards political and social control.There's no doubting the power of myth and mystery to inspire, but there's also no doubting the power of dogma to oppress.Edited by RickJB, : Fixed spelling.

At the risk of causing that throbbing vein in your head to go POP!...Are you saying that I cannot know that God exists. Are you saying the God cannot let me know that he exists? Are you saying "I know you only believe" or are you saying "I believe you only believe" (which would account for your error)?If someone says they know something then either:They are a liar
They are deluded
They are telling you the truthYou can choose which one is true - but you cannot know which one is true (unless you come to know him yourself).You'd imagine folk would be queuing up to find out what its like to know God exists. Sheesh!