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Topic: Why Atheists don't believe
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 196 of 310 (312734)
05-17-2006 8:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 190 by iano
05-17-2006 8:18 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
iano writes: Have you got such compelling evidence. If not then I suggest you do not know God is made up. You only believe that from the less-than-compelling evidence you have got. Sorry, but the burden of evidence lies with you. Lami cannot ultimately prove a negative, but he can, since no emprical evidence of any sort exists to support God, discount his existence as immaterial. It falls to you to show empirical evidence of His existance, but you are clearly unable. None of us (religious or not) "knows" the truth of God because He lies outside what science considers physical reality. Edited by RickJB, : Typos.
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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 197 of 310 (312735)
05-17-2006 8:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 193 by Larni
05-17-2006 8:28 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
You're right, I only believe your god is made up. As you only believe your god is real. Is this not the case? The good news (for you as much as me) is that its not the case. You can only 'believe' because any evidence you gather can always be swept away by his appearance "on front" of you. Mine cannot be swept away because the evidence is of a quality that has satisfied the very highest court that any individual can refer to: their knowing something to be the case. And because you don't know him and because he loves you very, very much, he gives me a message to give to you. He asks me to tell you that he wants very much for you to know him too. That's all this space/time world is about. The whole thing set up for that one reason. To allow you to get to know him and to allow you to say "No! - I don't want to know you" (and they say "Don't shoot the messanger" sheesh!) Right, message delivered - I'm off to do something else today. Caio Larni.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 198 of 310 (312736)
05-17-2006 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by iano
05-17-2006 8:39 AM
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iano writes: You keep on banging on about empirical evidence as if this was the only way to know anything. But it is! Everything in our minds is derived from empirical experience. Even the idea of God itself has been derived from a response to our environment.
iano writes: But for the purposes of this discussion we are taking our existance actually being as we percieve it. Agreed, so:- You see a table. I see a table. They see a table. We percieve a table. You "know" God. I don't. They "know" another God. Whose perception is the "right" one? How can we tell? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : More typos!!
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1493 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 199 of 310 (312737)
05-17-2006 8:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by iano
05-17-2006 8:39 AM
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So what? You keep on banging on about empirical evidence as if this was the only way to know anything. We're still waiting for you to show some alternate means. What has it been, a year since I first asked?
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 200 of 310 (312739)
05-17-2006 8:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 197 by iano
05-17-2006 8:52 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
Your wrong dude. Lets agree to differ. Always fun Iano  Larni.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5860 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: 12-27-2005
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Message 201 of 310 (312740)
05-17-2006 8:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 150 by iano
05-17-2006 4:42 AM
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Ding Ding Ding
They are deluded We have a winner
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5860 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: 12-27-2005
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Message 202 of 310 (312741)
05-17-2006 8:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 152 by iano
05-17-2006 4:48 AM
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Re: Q and the like
Does your modelling take into account a perfectly Just and Wrathful God who is as 'constrained' to satisfying his justness and wrathfulness as he is 'constrained' to satisfying his love. Or are you guilty of dismantling a strawgod. Pure nonsense
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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 203 of 310 (312742)
05-17-2006 9:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 200 by Larni
05-17-2006 8:57 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
You only think your right. I know I am Cheers Larni
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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Re: Q and the like
What? Your model or my dissection of it.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 205 of 310 (312744)
05-17-2006 9:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 204 by iano
05-17-2006 9:03 AM
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Re: Q and the like
Iano, can I just have a response to this, please? ---------- You see a table. I see a table. They see a table. We agree that we all perceive a table. You "know" God. I don't. They "know" another God. Whose perception is the "right" one? How can we tell? Cheers- Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5860 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: 12-27-2005
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Message 206 of 310 (312746)
05-17-2006 9:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 197 by iano
05-17-2006 8:52 AM
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
You can only 'believe' because any evidence you gather can always be swept away by his appearance "on front" of you. Mine cannot be swept away because the evidence is of a quality that has satisfied the very highest court that any individual can refer to: their knowing something to be the case. And because you don't know him and because he loves you very, very much, he gives me a message to give to you. He asks me to tell you that he wants very much for you to know him too. That's all this space/time world is about. The whole thing set up for that one reason. To allow you to get to know him and to allow you to say "No! - I don't want to know you" No, I KNOW for a fact that your god does not exist. It is 100% obvious that someone made it all up long ago. Amazing how all those ancient myths resemble each other isn't it? You know god exists in the same way someone knows they were abducted by aliens or that elvis is still alive. I guess I should buy their BS too.
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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5860 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: 12-27-2005
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Message 207 of 310 (312747)
05-17-2006 9:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 204 by iano
05-17-2006 9:03 AM
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Re: Q and the like
Does your modelling take into account a perfectly Just and Wrathful God who is as 'constrained' to satisfying his justness and wrathfulness as he is 'constrained' to satisfying his love. This ssntence is pure nonsensical rambling. You can't dissect my model since you admitted you don't even understand all the terms used! But in any case, I will leave you to your delusions. You are definitely an RBL thinker (restricted binary logic)
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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No point.
Mate I have been saying the same thing to Iano for the last 5 hours (real time). I did not make a dent......
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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 209 of 310 (312749)
05-17-2006 9:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 205 by RickJB
05-17-2006 9:06 AM
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Re: Q and the like
You see table, Larni sees table - I don't see table. Simply because I am not in the same place that you two guys are. You show me pictures but they could be airbrushed for all I know. I can trust you or not trust you when you say "its a table" For me to know its a table I would have to fly to where you guys are and then I would too see that it is a table. How do you tell? You cannot tell because you are not in a place to look at make up your own mind. And it is as possible for you to fly to where I am at and know God as it is for me to fly to you and see table. No difference really - you just have to travel in a different kind of aeroplane s'all I believe you when you say table. You don't believe me when I say God. I wouldn't expect you to. Its too serious to believe anyones word alone. Perhaps though, you will believe me enough to one day check it out for yourself. The need to do so will hopefully arise for you
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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Re: Why I have a disbelief
No, I KNOW for a fact that your god does not exist. It is 100% obvious that someone made it all up long ago. Amazing how all those ancient myths resemble each other isn't it? Is this one of your compelling evidences? Ever hear of the term Common Descent?
You know god exists in the same way someone knows they were abducted by aliens or that elvis is still alive. I guess I should buy their BS too. Lie Delusion Truth Your choice... I'm not selling anything SNC. I'm just pointing...
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