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Topic: abstinece-only sex education
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 91 of 306 (312812)
05-17-2006 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by CK
05-17-2006 12:00 PM
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Re: MORALS
Why is it the end of the thread? It's not my thread. You can all still entertain and congratulate each other with your amoral instrumental proposals for saving youth from the mean people who would expose them to such an evil idea as abstinence. I haven't thought through what I would advocate as a practical approach to the problems the thread addresses. All I know is that I hate the terms it is being discussed in here.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 92 of 306 (312815)
05-17-2006 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by Faith
05-17-2006 12:05 PM
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Re: MORALS
Well since we are all in agreement that abstinece-only education is a waste of time - besides going "yah! how great we all are!" there really is nothing to discuss unless someone had a counter viewpoint that they wish to put. As far as I can see, you are the only person doing anything remotely like that, so unless you have a program to advocate to us - I'm at a loss what else there is to do besides post in a circle.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 93 of 306 (312819)
05-17-2006 12:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
05-15-2006 2:03 PM
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But you know what, until the sixties it pretty much was the status quo. There was always sin, there will always be sin, but there was never sin in this country before the sixties on the scale there has been since, with popular and political support yet, and partly this is because people take a practical view of it instead of a moral view.
Yes, of course. Anal and oral sex didn't exist before the 60's. How naieve you are, faith. 
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 94 of 306 (312820)
05-17-2006 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by Faith
05-15-2006 7:24 PM
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Impressive indeed
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I HAVE all the facts about the Bible.
Wow, I had no idea that you had perfect knowledge in that way. Tell me, how often do James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson call you to ask your advice on Biblical matters? Surely, the Pope must contact you regularly, does he not?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 95 of 306 (312822)
05-17-2006 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by nator
05-17-2006 12:16 PM
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It helps to take some time to read the quotes you post Schraf. Faith said in your quote of her "scale". Scale doesn't mean 'never happened before' it means 'never happened before to this measure'. Give her a little credit - she's probably read Romans 1 by now
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 96 of 306 (312823)
05-17-2006 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by iano
05-17-2006 12:27 PM
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Faith said in your quote of her "scale". Scale doesn't mean 'never happened before' it means 'never happened before to this measure'. Thank you bro. But Schraf seems to need to misrepresent and ridicule me. Far be it from me to interfere with her pleasures.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 97 of 306 (312824)
05-17-2006 12:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
05-15-2006 8:27 PM
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Re: Reference on increase in STDs
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The increase in STDs worldwide can be partly explained by people starting sexual activity at a younger age and having more sexual partners. The use of the oral contraceptive pill and IUCDs has also reduced the rate of condom use.
Just to be clear, let us please restrict the discussion to the effects of abstinence only programs.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4149 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 98 of 306 (312825)
05-17-2006 12:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by nator
05-17-2006 12:16 PM
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You have to wonder why Syphilis was so rampant in the 16th century (which is why the condom was invented)? What was god punishing those god-loving folks for?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 99 of 306 (312827)
05-17-2006 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
05-15-2006 9:29 PM
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Re: Failure is the result of moral decline
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My answer to the "failure" of abstinence programs has already been given. It's irrelevant. In my view it's a moral problem, not a mere health problem and you won't deal with the health issues UNLESS you deal with it as a moral problem.
So, it would seem that comprehensive, real sex education results in a greater liklihood of moral behavior by teens, as those armed with the truth delay sex longer and indulge in oral and anal sex less than those who only get abstinence-only. Right?
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 100 of 306 (312828)
05-17-2006 12:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by CK
05-17-2006 12:32 PM
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Who says they were god-loving. No doubt they were reaping the consequences of fornication. That's how such things are brought about, or didn't anyone here know that?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 101 of 306 (312829)
05-17-2006 12:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by nator
05-17-2006 12:21 PM
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Re: Impressive indeed
Did you read the context into account here (ie: the content of the post to which Faith was responding to when she wrote this) Schraf?
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iano
Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 102 of 306 (312830)
05-17-2006 12:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
05-17-2006 12:35 PM
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 103 of 306 (312831)
05-17-2006 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by nator
05-17-2006 12:34 PM
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Re: Failure is the result of moral decline
So, it would seem that comprehensive, real sex education results in a greater liklihood of moral behavior by teens, as those armed with the truth delay sex longer and indulge in oral and anal sex less than those who only get abstinence-only. You don't get moral behavior out of a manipulative mechanical program, you just get calculated behavior that superficially looks moral to people who don't think much. Your whole focus is mechanical and instrumental, mine is moral. There's nothing for us to discuss. Carry on. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 104 of 306 (312832)
05-17-2006 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by nator
05-17-2006 12:34 PM
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Failure is the result of Abstinence Only mentality.
Actually, as pointed out way back in Message 40, the studies show that kids that receive abstinence only sex education are MORE likely to become sexually active.
Among the findings in the Texas study: About 23 percent of the ninth-grade girls in the study already had sexual intercourse before they received any abstinence education, a figure below the national average. After taking an abstinence course, the number among those same girls rose to 28 percent, a level closer to that of their peers across the state. Among ninth-grade boys, the percentage who reported sexual intercourse before and after abstinence education remained relatively unchanged. In 10th grade, however, the percentage of boys who had ever had sexual intercourse jumped from 24 percent to 39 percent after participating in an abstinence program. From this site. So what reality shows is that abstinence only programs increase the likelhood of kids becoming sexually active.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 105 of 306 (312833)
05-17-2006 12:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 102 by iano
05-17-2006 12:37 PM
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