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DorfMan
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Message 91 of 208 (313018)
05-17-2006 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
05-17-2006 12:25 PM


quote:
I always did appreciate your serious take on these things. HOW unusual to encounter such respectful openness from the other side of the debate. I know your convictions are mostly with the evolutionists but your perspective is really unique, outside all of it.
I agree with you about this person and add my own compliment.
Unusual!

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DorfMan
Member (Idle past 6103 days)
Posts: 282
From: New York
Joined: 09-08-2005


Message 92 of 208 (313022)
05-17-2006 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by robinrohan
05-17-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Assumptions
quote:
Looking at people's disclaimers........
What disclaimers? What are you referring to?
The "I didn't do its?"

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robinrohan
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Message 93 of 208 (313023)
05-17-2006 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by anglagard
05-17-2006 11:37 PM


Re: Logic
Also - The FSM is a satire on ID, it is not now, nor has ever been intended to be an actual divinity
That's not the point. It's supposed to be comparable to the concept of God.
I would now like everyone to understand that I am not a fundamentalist; in fact I do not believe in God.
In fact, I am a nihilist. But due to feelings, I do not like it when people are not willing to subject their own people to the same problems that they accuse others of.
As a matter of fact, the FSM is not comparable, in a reasoned sense, to God.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5856 days)
Posts: 772
From: Bartlett, IL, USA
Joined: 12-27-2005


Message 94 of 208 (313024)
05-17-2006 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by robinrohan
05-17-2006 11:56 PM


Re: Logic
As a matter of fact, the FSM is not comparable, in a reasoned sense, to God.
Actually, the FSM is completely comparable to many gods. It's just as ridiculous and just as silly.

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robinrohan
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Message 95 of 208 (313025)
05-18-2006 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-17-2006 11:59 PM


Re: Logic
Actually, the FSM is completely comparable to many gods. It's just as ridiculous and just as silly.
What is it that makes the FSM possibly necessary?

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Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 208 (313027)
05-18-2006 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by robinrohan
05-17-2006 11:23 PM


Re: Logic
robinrohan writes:
Yeah, well you think I don't understand that old concept about the universe being compared to the surface of a globe?
You think I'm that ignorant?
Heh. I've been considered ignorant a number of times over the years for debunking that concept, but you'll get that from any science forum. That's the 2D model they've got to concoct to debate their theories about our dimensionless unbounded space universe (as per my hypothesis) and/or their own 3D bounded universe.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 858 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 97 of 208 (313028)
05-18-2006 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by robinrohan
05-18-2006 12:01 AM


FSM
What is it that makes the FSM possibly necessary?
Satire is a tried-and-true way to humilitate and render insignificant bullshit ideas where adherents find it necessary to lie in order to preserve such ideas. See Cervantes and Swift {ABE - and Voltaire, etc.}
Edited by anglagard, : forgot Voltaire.

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robinrohan
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Message 98 of 208 (313029)
05-18-2006 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by anglagard
05-18-2006 12:11 AM


Re: FSM
Satire is a tried-and-true way to humilitate and render insignificant bullshit ideas where adherents find it necessary to lie in order to preserve such ideas. See Cervantes and Swift.
No, this will not do. The point was that their concept was as valid as the concept of God.

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robinrohan
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Message 99 of 208 (313030)
05-18-2006 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Buzsaw
05-18-2006 12:11 AM


Re: Logic
I've been considered ignorant a number of times over the years for debunking that concept, but you'll get that from any science forum. That's the 2D model they've got to concoct to debate their theories about our dimensionless unbounded space universe (as per my hypothesis) and/or their own 3D bounded universe.
Oh, more sci-fi babble.

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 858 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 100 of 208 (313031)
05-18-2006 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by robinrohan
05-18-2006 12:14 AM


Re: FSM
No, this will not do. The point was that their concept was as valid as the concept of God.
Right, and Swift really meant that Irish children should be eaten in "A Modest Proposal."
It's called sustained irony.
PS - I think you are purposefully playing dumb so you can whine about mistreatment later. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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robinrohan
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Message 101 of 208 (313032)
05-18-2006 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by anglagard
05-18-2006 12:21 AM


Re: FSM
If that was the point, it was very weak.
The point was to show that there was just as much evidence for FSM as there was for God.
But that won't do, unless you want to say that FSM is the creator, in which case you've made a trivial substitute for the word "God."
And I would like to know why our "logic" experts couldn't understand this. Is it because they are biased?

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SuperNintendo Chalmers
Member (Idle past 5856 days)
Posts: 772
From: Bartlett, IL, USA
Joined: 12-27-2005


Message 102 of 208 (313035)
05-18-2006 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by robinrohan
05-18-2006 12:01 AM


Re: Logic
What is it that makes the FSM possibly necessary?
huh?
What makes any god possibly necessary?
Zeus, Odin, Ra, Yahweh, Santa Claus, whatever.... they are all the same

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robinrohan
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Message 103 of 208 (313036)
05-18-2006 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-18-2006 12:48 AM


Re: Logic
What makes any god possibly necessary?
The creation of the universe.

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robinrohan
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Message 104 of 208 (313041)
05-18-2006 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by robinrohan
05-18-2006 12:50 AM


Re: Logic
What's the point of all this? Does it matter what you call "God"?
No, of course not. What's in a name?
So what's the point of that letter?

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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 105 of 208 (313046)
05-18-2006 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by anglagard
05-18-2006 12:11 AM


Re: FSM
Satire is a tried-and-true way to humilitate and render insignificant bullshit ideas where adherents find it necessary to lie in order to preserve such ideas. See Cervantes and Swift {ABE - and Voltaire, etc.}
Satire is only effective when it represents the satirized ideas accurately and honestly. Otherwise it is only an excuse to humiliate and belittle. There is nothing accurate or honest about the FSM. It doesn't work as satire, it just exposes the ignorance of the would-be satirists.

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