Should Evolution and Creation be Taught in School?

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Why make silly grandiose statements?

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The overwhelming abundance of data support the statements.-

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This is why the courts have ruled that creationism cannot be taught in the public schools

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In your opinion! I guess you mean in the US, as well. Well, then, should we conclude that all knowledge lays in the US courts? If they decide otherwise, then we all change our minds?

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Do you have a different opinion? Do you disagree that the courts have rule in this manner?-

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It is becoming clear that your point is confused. By your own statement, you are committing the fallacy of equivocation, yet you do not recognize this.

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It is becoming clear you have no point, let alone an ability to be cohesive.

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Be careful. It is a fact that can be checked by reading your previous post that you have provided several different definitions for the words "faith" and "doctrine" -- this is by definition equivocation. On the other hand, you have just made a gratuitious insult. The moderators take a dim view of that here.-

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It means not killing them or arresting them for having their different beliefs.

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And in this country, it means not using public money and state institutions in support of purely religous doctrines.

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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

so we arn't going to teach about the fall? or full depravity? or lutherism? whos beliefs are purely from the bible? i know of no denomination that teachs purely the bible they all have some form of exagensis
the catholics wrote the creed i believe it would be opression if the kid is the minority - say a jew or muslam or anyone who isn't a christian. thats why theres no teaching of beliefs outside religion courses, because you are only representing one belief

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The overwhelming abundance of data support the statements.

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Seems to support if looked at in a no God perspective. But that really says nothing at all. Beliefs and assumptions, my friend, that is all.

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Do you have a different opinion? Do you disagree that the courts have rule in this manner?

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You kidding? How many agree with the courts on a lot of major issues? Point is, if you accept these old men as you ultimate autority of truth, you are in bad shape indeed!

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you have provided several different definitions for the words "faith" and "doctrine"

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Don't blame me, that was a dictionary. You have a problem with dictionary definitions? I don't think the mods can help you there.

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And in this country, it means not using public money and state institutions in support of purely religous doctrines.

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Even calling the majority heritage beliefs religious doctrines, while advocating belief doctrines of your own is hypocritical.

the assumptions are yours, the assumption that to accept evolution means no god, when you haven't proven anyway. your beliefs
mainly evolution =! god
which isn't true don't change the definition when he refutes your arguement using it evolution isn't a belief doctrine its a scientific theory. no one has heritage beliefs, if we have any its ancester worship and fire worship, sky god worship is just a continuation of that

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Seems to support if looked at in a no God perspective.

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Since most Christians and Jews and many Muslims and people of other faiths accept the Theory of Evolution, this is false.-

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Beliefs and assumptions, my friend, that is all.

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The assumptions and conclusions of the Theory of Evolution is supported by fantastic amount of evidence in all the disciplines of biology and geology and with a wide variety of different experimental and observational methods.-

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How many agree with the courts on a lot of major issues?

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I would guess that in most cases, a majority eventually accepts the courts' decisions. It certainly seems the case in the evolution/creation controversy since a majority of Americans do not want creationism taught in the science classes.-

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You have a problem with dictionary definitions?

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No. The problem is when a person cannot choose a single definition and stick with it during her argument. That is the fallacy of equivocation. Look it up; it is a well known logical fallacy.-

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I don't think the mods can help you there.

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I do not need the mods help in identifying your fallacies. Your fallacies are rather easy to spot and identify. I only mentioned the moderators in warning you that they take a dim view of gratuitous insults. However, they seem to have decided to let yours slip this time.-

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Even calling the majority heritage beliefs religious doctrines....

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Religious doctrines are religious doctrines. Taking offense does not change the fact that creationism is a religious doctrine.-

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...while advocating belief doctrines of your own is hypocritical.

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If I were advocating belief doctrines, then you might have a point. However, I am advocating teaching children the current state of scientific thought that is backed by evidence. Taking offense does not change the fact that all the evidence indicates quite unequivocably that life has existed and evolved over three and a half billion years.

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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

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the assumptions are yours, the assumption that to accept evolution means no god, when you haven't proven anyway. your beliefs
mainly evolution =! god
which isn't true

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The assumptions are yours. As for God, unless you believed in Him, why even bring up the Guy?

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don't change the definition when he refutes your arguement using it

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Brace yourself. I didn't write the dictionaries.

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evolution isn't a belief doctrine its a scientific theory.

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Well, a doctrine is a few things, like this..."Something taught; a teaching"
Doctrine - definition of doctrine by The Free Dictionary

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no one has heritage beliefs

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"something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor : LEGACY, INHERITANCE b : TRADITION
3 : something possessed as a result of one's natural situation or birth : "People do possess beliefs that result from transmission of their predesessors. In some places a majority of a country inherited Christian heritage, which was paid for in blood by their forefathers. Whatever are you talking about, so far in left field here?

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evolution isn't a belief doctrine its a scientific theory.

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It is taught, and where it deals with some far fetched long gone past, some belief is involved, sorry you don't seem to like this fact.

Hello again Whisper You seem to like taking little stabs and swings at the shaky and shady theory of evolution. I bet you can really give those evil-utionists a run for their money in the science forum, eh? After all, it's a very shaky theory backed up with little evidence, right?

Most muslims and Christians are nominal believers, and do not believe the koran or the bible in any meaningful way. Nevertheless, a majority in the US still believe in the bible as true. So, if we focus on one country, we see that most are not nominal Christians there, because most believe in the flood. Yours stats likely are worldwide stats, not US.

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The assumptions and conclusions of the Theory of Evolution is supported by fantastic amount of evidence in all the disciplines of biology and geology and with a wide variety of different experimental and observational methods.

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Most of which is assumptive, when it comes to beyond Eden.

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No. The problem is when a person cannot choose a single definition and stick with it during her argument. That is the fallacy of equivocation. Look it up; it is a well known logical fallacy.

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Words can have many applications, not just the one you love.

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Religious doctrines are religious doctrines. Taking offense does not change the fact that creationism is a religious doctrine.

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Religious doctrines are religious doctrines. Taking offense does not change the fact that evolution beyond creation is a religious doctrine.

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If I were advocating belief doctrines, then you might have a point. However, I am advocating teaching children the current state of scientific thought that is backed by evidence.

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Your minority take on the evidence, which means nothing.

Well, somebody's forefathers. In Australia and the Americas, most of the blood was that of the non-Christian natives.

Actually, I am wary here, and will tread softly until I feel confident that the moderation is fair. Otherwise, I might walk into a trap, where the deacons of what is allowed as a definition of science, misuse that priviledge. I like the lights on, before I proceed into battle.

My forefathers loved and helped the natives. Sorry if you have some pang of guilt.

No pang. I wasn't even born until a bit after World War II, so I had nothing to do with it either. Or the Mexican War.It's nice that you had nice ancestors, though.

It shouldn't be that hard to slaughter them, since all they have is wild speculations and wacky interpretations.

My ancestors were Christians. They gave the gospel and love to the natives. Not the blue coats, or whiskey traders, etc. Those who did bad things were not my fathers.Matt 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

You are right. In a fair fight, it would be a slaughter. I bide my time, and look around, and see if fairness is the order of the day here, or no.