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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I do bite, but usually only when bitten, which is very often the case from you -- even in both posts from you that I answered -- but I'm glad we avoided it this time.
Anyway, I haven't been advocating anything about sex as such being bad and evil.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you have a source or a link for this claim? David Horowitz and Peter Collier were among the first to recognize the problem which started in San Francisco. Here's an excerpt from an article at Front Page Magazine, 1997:
Fourteen years and more than 300,000 deaths ago, Peter Collier and I wrote a story for California magazine about the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco. At the time the virus had not yet been isolated and there had been only 3,000 fatalities nationally. But it was already clear to the medical community that the culprit was a retrovirus, that there might never be a cure, that AIDS cases among gays were doubling every six months and that if the behavioral patterns of gays and drug users did not change, there would be more than 300,000 people dead by 1997. In normal circumstances, the minimal public health response to an impending epidemic would have been to identify the carriers of the disease by mandatory testing of at-risk communities, closing off "hot zones" of the epidemic, such as gay bathhouses and drug "shooting galleries," contact-tracing of those who had been in touch with the already sick and honest public education about the dangers of promiscuous anal sex among gays and needle-sharing among drug addicts. None of these measures, Collier and I found, was acceptable to a powerful lobby of gay activists that labeled them as "discriminatory" and "homophobic" and made clear to any public health official who advocated them that they would be doing so at the risk of their careers. As a result, none of the standard public health measures were consistently deployed. Instead, a series of politically correct ideas and "community-approved" policies became the only measures feasible for political leaders to advocate, for the media to promote and for public health agencies to pursue.
Also look up Randy Shilts, And the Band Played On at Amazon.com. Here are a few other comments on Shilts' work:
Wikipedia http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/may94bronski.htm http://www.fumento.com/shilts.html Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
perhaps not. but abstinence-only education does.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6354 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
At the time the virus had not yet been isolated identify the carriers of the disease by mandatory testing of at-risk communities That would have been a really neat trick - identifying carriers by testing for an as-yet unidentified infectious agent.
In normal circumstances, the minimal public health response to an impending epidemic would have been to identify the carriers of the disease by mandatory testing of at-risk communities, closing off "hot zones" of the epidemic I'm fascinated by the this. Are there any examples of this ever being done for any disease in the US? I'm sceptical of the claim about 'normal circumstances' and 'minimal public health response'. I can't think of anything in my lifetime in the UK except for animal diseases like foot and mouth a few years ago and H5N1 bird flu currently - certainly nothing in the human population. Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after
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EZscience Member (Idle past 5154 days) Posts: 961 From: A wheatfield in Kansas Joined: |
Faith writes: David Horowitz and Peter Collier Oh yeah. You have some sterling credentials behind this citation.David Horowitz, a little pseudo-nazi, 'anti-intellectual-elitism', failed-academic-himself, right wing extremist hypocrite who wants to prosecute 'left-wing professors' who actually HAVE academic credentials. Another pathetic little shill for the christian right who is doing more harm than good for the cause freedom in this country - in his case freedom of speech.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I'm fascinated by the this. Are there any examples of this ever being done for any disease in the US?
Up into the 1950's such measures were used for polio, measles, and a few other diseases. I'm not aware of any since, though.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
That is simply an attack on the individual. I suggest you do better than that.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is a current plan to do that in the US for Bird Flu. The Polio Epidemic prompted measures like closing the pools and other gathering places for kids during the summer. There was also Elis Island, quarantine of towns for various disease, things like Leper Colonies.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
things like Leper Colonies.
Oh yeah.....the Hawaiian island of Molokai was a leper colony up into the 50's. Not a real big tourist destination back then....
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
how many must die for your "we'll wait and see?" quote: Strawman argument. There is an "anti-abstinence ONLY" camp. Abstinence-ONLY. ONLY, ONLY, ONLY. This means that in a good comprehensive sex-education program, abstience is included as a perfectly viable option along with comprehensive education about preganncy and STD prevention and other sexual and relationship health. So, please stop using the term "anti-abstinence" to refer to people who want to teach comprehensive sex education to children, because they do NOT hold the position of being against abstinence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh yeah. You have some sterling credentials behind this citation. David Horowitz, a little pseudo-nazi, 'anti-intellectual-elitism', failed-academic-himself, right wing extremist hypocrite who wants to prosecute 'left-wing professors' who actually HAVE academic credentials. Another pathetic little shill for the christian right who is doing more harm than good for the cause freedom in this country - in his case freedom of speech. When Horowitz and Collier wrote about the AIDS coverup they were card-carrying Marxists known for their writing for the New Left's Ramparts magazine. Liberals. Lefties. Like you.=========================== Late edit: Don't want to start a post for this as it's off topic and maybe you won't even see it, but I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "failed academic." He has a master's in literature from Cal Berkeley, and he's a writer. What's "failed" about that? Is an academic career the pinnacle of life and success in your view? He was among the leadership of the New Left in the sixties and seventies, and has written many books. Radical Son was impressively well written. It's only partisan prejudice that leads you to attack him. He has more credentials of the kind that count than you can boast I am very sure. And you completely misrepresent his work for academic freedom with your stupid smear remark about "prosecuting" left-wing professors who have academic credentials. There is no prosecution involved, for starters. His objective is to restore the academic function of the classroom against selection processes that hire on the basis of politics as much as academic qualification, and against professors of all wings who intimidate their students with their personal political and other views extraneous to the subject matter of the course. These do happen to be mostly left-wingers, but not all, and the academic freedom proposal covers all professors equally. Edited by Faith, : to add link Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Technically you are correct, but in spirit what I said is the truth. I've pointed out that on this thread everybody thinks there's nothing wrong with sex outside marriage and all the traditional moral boundaries. That's like being against abstinence as such. Even if technically it is presented as an option, a rather weakly defended option I'm sure. But yes, technically you are correct. Mea culpa.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
At the time the virus had not yet been isolated identify the carriers of the disease by mandatory testing of at-risk communities That would have been a really neat trick - identifying carriers by testing for an as-yet unidentified infectious agent. They had visible lesions, Kaposi's sarcoma, flagrant symptoms of full blown AIDS. There were plenty of gross symptoms to test for. And tracking contacts would have helped identify whom to examine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wikipedia on Quarantine
The word quarantine (from Medieval French une quarantaine de jours, a period of forty days) originates from a 40 day isolation of ships and people prior to entering the city of Dubrovnik (aka Ragusa). The isolation was practised as a measure of disease prevention and merchandise protection related to the plague (Black Death). The original document from 1377, which is kept in the Archives of Dubrovnik, states that before entering the city, newcomers had to spend 30 days in a restricted location (originally nearby islands) awaiting to see whether the symptoms of plague would develop. Later on, isolation was prolonged to 40 days and was called quarantine. According to estimations, between 1348 and 1359, the Black Death wiped out one quarter to one half of the entire population in Europe.
The plague was not the only disease for which quarantine was practised: we can mention the earlier isolation of lepers, the attempts to check the invasion of syphilis in northern Europe about 1490, the advent of yellow fever in Spain at the beginning of the 19th century and the arrival of Asiatic cholera in 1831. Venice took the lead in measures to check the spread of plague, having appointed three guardians of the public health in the first years of the Black Death (1348). The next record of preventive measures comes from Reggio in Modena in 1374. The first lazaret was founded by Venice in 1403, on a small island adjoining the city; in 1467 Genoa followed the example of Venice; and in 1476 the old leper hospital of Marseille was converted into a plague hospital. The great lazaret of that city, perhaps the most complete of its kind, having been founded in 1526 on the island of Pomgue. The practice at all the Mediterranean lazarets was not different from the English procedure in the Levantine and North African trade. On the approach of cholera in 1831 some new lazarets were set up at western ports, notably a very extensive establishment near Bordeaux, afterwards turned to another use.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4111 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
No, this is a distortion of everyones argument, no one has said one way or another about sex outside marrige. you are still making the leap that knowing about sex leads to the act of sex, this is nonsense.
abistince-only education leads to problems because of ignorance, this is an if sinario, though i do not have kids if i did i would tell them everything including its best to wait for marrige, but if they decide not to wait then i want them to know all about the safty precautions a parent who wants abstinece-only taught is a terrible parent, who is blind to reality by thier beliefs, they don't know the future they can only hope the child does whats best, which they hope is marrige firstlimiting what the child knows is the worst thing a parent can do Edited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.
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