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Message 2 of 300 (315968)
05-29-2006 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by John A. Davison
05-29-2006 11:22 AM


Deferring this to Admin (Percy)
Welcome back John - Now we'll see how this works out.
I am pleased that I have been invited to once again join in discussion at EvC.
This new development is largely Admin's (Percy's) project. I suggest that he be the one to handle this proposed topic.
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Message 6 of 300 (316023)
05-29-2006 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by John A. Davison
05-29-2006 1:16 PM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
The non-admin mode will not be participating in this topic.
...Rivista di Biologia, 98: 155-166, 2005...
Unless there is an online version out there (is there?), I think this journal article is going to be pretty non-accessible to most (all?) of the other forum members.
JAD, you have a few items available via Retired Service | The University of Vermont. Would any of these be relevant to this topic? If so, which one would be the best one to focus on first?
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Message 8 of 300 (316079)
05-29-2006 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by John A. Davison
05-29-2006 5:25 PM


Not the oppositions job
It's not your debate opponent's obligation to track down your position statements at locations outside of this forum and topic, and bring them to this topic. It's not even their obligation to track down your position statements that you made in previous topics at this forum.
I'm not going to post links to your previous topics, as they are probably something best left in the past. If you, however, would like those links for your own reference purposes, please request such via e-mailing me via the "Mail" link at the bottom of this message.
If you wish to debate the merits of your position, it is your obligation to bring the text of that position to this topic. Of course, supplemental links are also welcome. Until such happens, there is going to be no debate.
TO THE JAD OPPONENTS: I also STRONGLY suggest that you refrain from bringing JAD position statements in from locations outside of this topic. In my opinion, doing such could well result in your being banned from "Showcase" forum participation. Let us let JAD have a fresh start.
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Edited by Adminnemooseus, : "Bolded" some text.

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Message 14 of 300 (316268)
05-30-2006 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by John A. Davison
05-30-2006 6:37 AM


Re: Earlier evcforum.net topics about JAD's material
Adminnemooseus, in message 8, writes:
I'm not going to post links to your previous topics, as they are probably something best left in the past.
John A. Davison, in reply, writes:
Excuse me. I do not regard ANYTHING that I have ever published as something "best left to the past." I stand by all my publications as well as my unpublished Manifesto.
Perhaps I was unclear in my above quoted statement. What I was referring to were, specificly, the previous topics that JAD was involved in. It was not aimed to include any of your published or unpublished works outside of your topics postings.
JAD writes:
I regard that as an inflammatory and quite unnecessary introduction to what I hope to be a reasonable, objective, civilized discussion.
I think that a significant portion of the previous topic's contents ended up (not placing blame on anyone in specific) not being "reasonable, objective, civilized discussions". That is why I suggested that "they are probably something best left in the past". These past topics are not hidden - They can be easily found by anyone who cares to look. But I have choosen to not specificly point out any of them.
It has been pointed out to me, in the "Private Administration Forum", that you do have a draft of the paper "A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis" on file here at . It can be found at http:///DataDropsite/APrescribedEvolutionaryHypothesis.html.
Perhaps you would like to bring a portion (not all at once) of that paper into this topic? Where would you like to start the discussion?
Adminnemooseus
Added by edit: In regards to http:///DataDropsite/APrescribedEvolutionaryHypothesis.html - I note that an illustration seems to have been lost. Perhaps Admin/Percy can fix that. Also, somewhere along the way, the formatting got a little weird, with a bunch of question marks apparently being substituted for " marks.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

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Message 51 of 300 (317427)
06-04-2006 12:36 AM


Sorry about the intrusion JAD, but...
... we have a proposed side topic to this topic.
As you probably know, Brad McFall was interested in taking part in this topic, but Admin (with the support of other admins) declined having such happen. I, however, did think that a John A. Davison / Brad McFall conversation could be interesting, and thus I proposed to Brad (via e-mail) that he propose his own topic, directed at you, and intended to be for you and he only.
Please see PEH (John A. Davison and Brad McFall only), and respond with either a "Yes, I want to do it" or a "No, I don't want to do it". The option is yours, and in no way am I trying to force this addition topic upon you.
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Message 78 of 300 (319113)
06-08-2006 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by John A. Davison
06-08-2006 7:17 AM


Lack of response to the PEH
I amazed at the lack of response to the PEH here.
Brad McFall has just been granted permission to participate in this topic. Brace yourself .
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Message 81 of 300 (319490)
06-09-2006 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by John A. Davison
06-09-2006 6:54 AM


"Science commits suicide when she adopts a creed." - Thomas Henry Huxley
I'm seen you post the quote of the subtitle many times, and your doing such always makes me wonder "Is it the "Darwinist science" or "John A. Davison science" that has adopted a cread?"
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Message 83 of 300 (319546)
06-09-2006 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by John A. Davison
06-09-2006 11:00 AM


Re: "Science commits suicide when she adopts a creed." - Thomas Henry Huxley
It is creed not cread.
Oops.
So we now have one administrator representing another? Is it appropriate for a presumed "moderator" to prejudice the discussion with such a comment? I personally do not think so.
I (as does every other admin) have two ID's at this forum, an administrative one and a non-administrative one. I really try to keep my admin messages seperate from my non-admin messages, and to post each as being signed off by the correct ID. If I post a "mixed mode" message, with both admin and non-admin content, I try to make explicit which is which.
My previous message was actually Minnemooseus (non-admin mode) input, but Minnemooseus does not have posting permissions in this forum. But he did have what was intended to be his only comment in this topic, so he asked his close associate, Adminnemooseus, to relay the message. Such a request seemed reasonable to me, so I did it. He didn't even have to threaten to cut off my computer privileges.
That said, I now relay Minnemooseus's comment that he hopes that an official participent in this topic might pursue the "creed" discussion further.
If and when Brad McFall shows up is up to him. I vaguely recall that he currently is in a situation where he is out of contact with the internet. He also has not responded to my recent e-mail to him, pointing out to him that he now has permissions in this topic.
Brad did offer up some input here. Perhaps you would like to respond to that in this topic, or perhaps (and perhaps even better) you would like to reconsider having a seperate discussion topic with Brad. That other topic can be reopened, but the choice is absolutely yours.
Have a nice day. Thank you for your time, and if you must travel, please remember "Greyhound".*
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*Lighthearted comment, not a debate item

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Message 178 of 300 (322497)
06-17-2006 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by John A. Davison
06-16-2006 6:12 PM


Is not this a topic to discuss the content of your PEH?
JAD writes:
I have no intention of answering questions that are implicit in the PEH and require no further commentary either from me or anyone else.
I haven't followed this topic much, but my impression is that for having started a topic to discuss your PEH, you don't really seem to have much interest in discussing your PEH.
How about taking a stab at some sort of response to the following content from message 174:
Alan Fox writes:
I am still curious as to how your concept of semi-meiosis is necessary to the idea that supernatural beings programmed all information necessary for life to eventually produce the presumed predestined final pinnacle of civilisation we have today.
I'm also curious as to what makes you say evolution is finished, or why evolution was needed by your supernatural front-loaders.
It would be best that you post your response as being to that message 174, and not to this message.
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Message 183 of 300 (322550)
06-17-2006 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Alan Fox
06-17-2006 12:05 PM


It would seem that this topic is mostly an index to things elsewhere
You know, if all we're going to get in this topic is referrals to information and debate elsewhere, at least you could supply links to the other locations.
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Message 259 of 300 (328251)
07-02-2006 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by John A. Davison
07-02-2006 10:22 AM


JAD's read only access to forums, or lack there of
When I try to call up Intelligent Design or Biological Evolution I am immediately greeted with "You do not have permission to access this forum."
The intents of the settings are that you and everyone else (even the unregistered) should have full reading access to those and every other public forum (everything except the "Private Administration Forum", which is only available to admins). If you do not have at least "read only" access to all such forums, then something is not working as it is intended.
You are restricted from posting in many forums, but this should not effect the read access.
In part, you have a legitimate complaint, and you have apparently pointed out a bug in the forum's software. A short term fix for you, would be for you to log out. As a logged out member you should have read only access to all public forums. You can log back in to do any message postings.
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