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Author Topic:   How Likely Is It Jesus' Got Married
Brian
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Message 32 of 109 (316254)
05-30-2006 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by igor_the_hero
05-28-2006 11:41 PM


Re: The Church
Hi,

Jesus is the only perfect person.(Born of a virgin, remember?)

But, Jesus was not the only person to be born of a virgin.

Siddartha Gautama was born of a virgin, as was Zoroaster and Attis.

If we take the fundy Xian translation of 'almah' in Isaiah 7:14 as being a sexual virgin, then Jesus wasn't even the first person born of a virgin in the Bible!!!!

So what would it mean if he had kids? It just doesn't match up with what the Bible says that marriage is to be displayed and stuff.

What we need to remember is that the Gospels are not a full account of Jesus' life, it isnt possible to know every single thing about Him, all we can do is have educated guesses. it is not unreasonable to claim that a Rabbi would be married, it is not unreasonable to assume that any adult man was married, in fact, it is more UNLIKELY that a man would remain unmmarried in Jewish society.

We also have to remember that the Gospels were not written by anyone who actually knew Jesus, so all the information we have about Him is at least second hand, there are no primary sources, which could mean that the authors of the Gospels only presented what they wanted us to know or what they saw as being important. It could be that they didn't mention His marriage because they didn't see it as being that important, or that they may have taken it for granted that people would have known that he was married.

Personally, I do not know what all the fuss is about, if Jesus was fully human then He would have had sexual desires just like the rest of us.

Brian.


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Brian
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Message 51 of 109 (316519)
05-31-2006 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by igor_the_hero
05-29-2006 10:30 PM


Re: The Church
O yeah, he is perfect cause he never sinned.

How do you know this?

If he came from a virgin, he never got Adam's seed and was perfect from the beginning.

He could hardly be human then if He didn't have Adam's seed, considering what the word Adam means.

Lets say that you were born of a virgin. You would have to spend your whole life without lying, stealing, committing adultery, murdering (which says the Bible is the same as hating someone), and having no other gods.

Where is the logic in this?

Last time I checked he shot down Judaism when he claimed to be the Messiah.

There are more Jews in the world now than there were in Jesus' time, so how could He have shot it down?

The Hebrew Bible does shoot down Jesus messianic claims though.

Brian.


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Brian
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Message 83 of 109 (344306)
08-28-2006 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Hyroglyphx
05-30-2006 11:05 PM


Jesus needed to have children
Getting married and having little chitlins was not apart of the program.

I would hazard a guess that this is your personal opinion because it certainly isn't stated in the Bible.

In fact, if Jesus was the fulfillment of the 'Suffering Servant' of Isaiah's Servant Songs (as Xians claim He is), then Jesus would have HAD to be a daddy.

The servant would live to see his offspring:

Isaiah 53:10

Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

The 'offspring' referred to here is actual children, and not the metaphorical 'children' that Christians claim it means.

Zerah, which is used for offsrping here, is never used metaphorically in the Hebrew Bible.

So, Jesus would need to have had real children if He was the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 as Christians cliam he was.

However, there are another two huge problems trying to fit Jesus into Isaiah 53. One is his fairly short life, it certainly wasn't a prolonged life as the servant was blessed with. Oh, it is an extended physical life as well, not some spiritual hocus pocus.

The second, and biggest problem, is that Isaiah 53 is not even messianic.

Brian.


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