How likely is it that Jesus was married and his line continued? I personally find it extremely unlikely. If you look in The Bible, there sre 4 accounts of his life and they make no mention of it. I just want some people's opinions of whether or not they think it could be true.
What I really want to know is - what are the implications of Jesus having married? What are the theological implications? That Jesus had a cock? Is that it? Is that why the Churches are up against it?
Hi Mick! :) From what I have heard, many theologians are against the idea because they believe that Jesus was betrothed to the people as a whole and that His mission required that He devote Himself to that cause exclusively (which would rule out a wife and family)
The second reason is because scripture does not support it. Of course, if we question scripture (by using human wisdom as our primary source) than I suppose that we could conclude anything about the Bible.
Philosophically, I think that the answer is unprovable scholastically. How can one scholar be more trustworthy than another, particularly those with agendas?
By that I mean that some critics say that believing apologists already have an agenda of promoting the Biblical accounts and are thus biased.
Other critics, however, say that secular scholars with no bias have an agenda to debunk the entire idea that the Bible is a preserved and accuracte representation of Jesus life.
Just off the top of my head, I'd say it would "mean" absolutely nothing if He had kids. Is having kids some kind of "imperfection"? How would having kids change His teachings?
Perhaps, Ringo. Lemme ask you this, though. If He were not actually the unique Son of God but rather merely another in a long line of human teachers, would that affect the source and origin of your personal faith? I realize that you advocate following the message and behaving correctly and all, but do you actually think that you yourself are the source of this power and ability?
We all have opinions and beliefs. Beliefs, if based on what we have been taught, are nothing more than opinions. Is the Bible innerrent or not? Does it really matter?
What matters is whether or not God is real. Only by having settled this issue internally can anyone have a belief about the issue. Otherwise, it is just an opinion (untested)
I suppose that theoretically Jesus COULD have been married, although I think that the symbolism is that we all are His family. (of course, I am a Trinitarian, so I would think this way)
Didn't Jesus' Dad have a kid -- out of wedlock and with a woman married to another?
Yes but He was the Judge so He got off with that one! The lawyers had no case against Him! :)
ok, so jesus has to be perfect if he's to be a sacrifice for our sins. central to christianity, ok, got it. being born of a virgin doesn't have anything to do with that, at all. that bit is to make him the literal son of god.
Well, the sinless blood concept would allow for Jesus to remain single. Was not the idea that He would eventually marry the whole church? He and us are in courtship currently... some are opting for a pre-nup, however. No seats at the wedding for them!
i think that requiring christ to NOT be human is a bit, well, silly. part of the whole idea was that he WAS human (even if he was something else as well) and subject to all the concerns of fleshly existence that we are. and he was perfect anyways. he's an example, if anything, of what we are capable of -- not an unattainable standard held against us.
I suppose that the issue is How we attain this standard. Jesus was on a mission from His Father...a business trip, as it were. He had no time for marriage. (Unless you consider Him just another in a long line of human teachers.) Very Jewish.
see, the idea is that bachelors don't understand how real life works. met any very wise bachelors before? i didn't think so.
Hey, Brenn! Im a bachelor and I think I relate to teenagers better than most adults I know, including parents. I will admit that when they talk of dating and sexual issues, I am clueless, however! :)
Of course, if Jesus was as divine as He was human, He may have a few insights that mere human only teachers lack.
i think it would be better if we thought of jesus as married. because then we can ask 'how did jesus treat his wife?' sure they say it now, but they don't mean it. they appropriate jesus' wife being the church.
I think that the church IS Jesus wife, and that He treats her more than fairly! She is a bit of a waunderer, though.....
You and I go with different flows, here. Communion is both a symbolism and a reality, IMHO. Lets discuss symbolism.
The Virgin Birth was symbolic. Was it reality?
Original Sin is symbolic. As we observe the behavior of our species, can we see any evidence for the reality behind it?
Holy Communion, or common union, is symbolic. Do we humans have a need of it? Is it a necessary reality?
I don't see Jesus a merely another in a long line of sages and moral teachers in touch with spirituality.
You may suggest that the teaching is tied to the fact that we all are capable of right behavior and would be well advised to go and do likewise.
Human nature seems to point to directly the opposite direction. 5% of the people on the planet own or control 85-90% of the resources, according to my college sociology book. This hardly sounds like the message is getting through.
The symbolism of Christ rising from the dead is a necessary reality for the power of Christianity to change an individual, in the belief of many. ( of course, many christians who claim to be saved are also not walking advertisments for this message, so perhaps my argument is moot.
I guess that what I'm trying to say in all of this is the opinion that Jesus would have no need for marriage because
He did not need to have communion with a woman to feel completeness in Himself.
He would have no need or purpose to bear natural children.
Assuming, of course, that this human man was also a bit more than the rest of us! (Thats what Rising from the Dead will do for you! :)