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Topic: Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 196 of 302 (316297)
05-30-2006 2:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by Dr Jack
05-24-2006 9:54 AM
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Re: Atheism as a Positive Belief
I believe consciousness is a product of the human brain; no brain = no consciousness. Ask you a question. Since time travel may be a possibility, or at least going back in time... So you die, your consious ceases to exist. Someone goes back in time and there you are!! How can this be? Edited by riVeRraT, : typing error Edited by riVeRraT, : typing
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CK
Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 197 of 302 (316299)
05-30-2006 2:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 196 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:11 PM
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Re: Atheism as a Positive Belief
em.. because you traveled back in time to when that entity existed?  By that logic - if you lived in a time when Jesus never existed and you traveled back further in time and Jesus wasn't there - Jesus never existed!
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 198 of 302 (316300)
05-30-2006 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by sidelined
05-24-2006 11:25 AM
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Of course,we know that they had the wrong kind of faith because the book they read from is not the right one eh? I will not judge the terroist, but ask yourself, do you need a book to tell you that was wrong?
Perhaps you need to clarify what you consider faith to be? Faith is you.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 199 of 302 (316301)
05-30-2006 2:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Chronos
05-24-2006 3:27 PM
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Unfortunately for your argument, "God" can be replaced with any fictional character of your liking. This is just not true. They recieve the label fictional, because of just that.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Re: On 'isms' and redness
Atheism has no tenets, no dogmas, and no followers. Atheism lacks all those things. In fact, 'lacking' is the defining feature of atheism: the only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I disagree with that. In college they seem to present a case against God. If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite. There seems to be dogma asociated with atheism, but they will never openly admit to it. When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.
When I close my eyes and try to imagine seeing the colour red, I experience redness without any real light coming into play. So I think that redness is a purely subjective conscious experience that takes place in our brain. Seeing light of a certain wavelength is one thing, experiencing redness is another. I agree.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 201 of 302 (316304)
05-30-2006 2:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 197 by CK
05-30-2006 2:14 PM
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Re: Atheism as a Positive Belief
em.. because you traveled back in time to when that entity existed? When? If you can travel back in time and see it, then it always exists. That makes us eternal. How can you bring back to life what is already dead?
By that logic - if you lived in a time when Jesus never existed and you traveled back further in time and Jesus wasn't there - Jesus never existed! ???? I was only presenting going back in time, since it seems to becoming a reality. Going forward in time, may also be a reality, and would be part of the same logic.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 202 of 302 (316308)
05-30-2006 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM
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Re: On 'isms' and redness
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Atheism has no tenets, no dogmas, and no followers. Atheism lacks all those things. In fact, 'lacking' is the defining feature of atheism: the only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I disagree with that. In college they seem to present a case against God.
If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite. There seems to be dogma asociated with atheism, but they will never openly admit to it. When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.
This idea of yours is hardly factual - it certainly wasn't the case where I went to college. Not one of my professors or lecturers stood up and made such a statement. And even if it were it certainly wouldn't support your assertion. It is at most an instruction, not a tenet of belief and even if it were simply being said by a professor of something wouldn't make it dogma.o
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 203 of 302 (316312)
05-30-2006 2:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 1:37 PM
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To me I find nothing subjective about Jesus promising us the Holy Spirit, and me recieving it.
Can you show me physical evidence that this holy spirit exists, and you have received it? If not, then your experiance is entirely subjective.
Or you haven't sought after Him enough. He is there, you just don't see Him. It's all there waiting for you. It's aparent in your responses, when you say things like "your god". It's not my god that you need to find, it's your God.
Can you show physical proof that 'God' actually exists except from outside your feelings, and the circular arguement of 'god created everything, something exists, therefore god'? reasoning? If not, then it is subjective, not objective.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 204 of 302 (316314)
05-30-2006 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:07 PM
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Re: The utility of language
Can you prove that little green lepracuns don't exist??
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 205 of 302 (316315)
05-30-2006 2:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 202 by PaulK
05-30-2006 2:37 PM
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Re: On 'isms' and redness
Opps.. resonding to wrong person Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 206 of 302 (316316)
05-30-2006 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM
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Re: On 'isms' and redness
In college they seem to present a case against God.
If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite.
I would love to see the course syllabus where the 'presented a case against God'. That seems to be a statement that can not be substantiated.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 207 of 302 (316322)
05-30-2006 3:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 201 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:28 PM
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someone the direct answer is the best answer.
Yesterday I took a big shit. Today it has gone - I flushed it down the toilet. If I can travel back in time and see it, then it always exists. That makes my shit eternal. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 208 of 302 (316323)
05-30-2006 3:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 206 by ramoss
05-30-2006 2:52 PM
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Re: On 'isms' and redness
I was wondering which bit of my economics degree this was covered in - I seem to have missed that element of the course.
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Message 209 of 302 (316336)
05-30-2006 3:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM
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Dogma in college
riVeRraT writes: When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma. Maybe when it happens in a Danish film. Otherwise, you'll have to be a bit more explicit if you want to convince me. What kind of professor is it you're talking about? Couldn't a professor in a Christian college ask exactly the same, but with other motives? You'll have to provide some context and an explanation of how "prove God exists" leads to the conclusion of dogma.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 210 of 302 (316341)
05-30-2006 4:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
05-30-2006 2:23 PM
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on Questioning.
In college they seem to present a case against God. If you go to a Christian college, you would find the opposite. There seems to be dogma asociated with atheism, but they will never openly admit to it. When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma. How so? Would a Christian education not ask the person to question whether GOD exists? I well remember Father Cantler getting us to prove that GOD did not exist, and then to refute that position. A belief unchallenged is weak and untempered.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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