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hobbst3r
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Message 1 of 9 (31320)
02-04-2003 2:38 PM


Where is the gradual fossil evidence that proves evolution? There are thousands of species, and no fossil evidence that shows anyone of them gradually evolving. Even with the fossils we have, they should all be evolving into something, not just the same species of fossils found over and over again. How has life started? Don't give me that lightning created enzyme crap, enzymes create protiens and protiens create DNA, but that is in a living organism that allows the enzymes to do that. Life comes from other living things, enzymes are not alive, first thing I learned in my 8th grade bio class. Where is the evidence that the eye evolved? 'They' say that this evolved to that, and yet the eye comes out of no where, no evolution evidence with something that complex. How can species evolve with natural selection? if it takes billions of years for a species to evolve to become fit for it's environment, then how come they didn't die off?

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hobbst3r
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Message 2 of 9 (31322)
02-04-2003 2:44 PM


And the fact that humans are taller then before. 'They' only did that test on Americans, when I was in Mexico I was 3 feet taller than everyone else. We are lazier and have different eating habits. Laziness = gravity takes less effect, and we eat different vitamens which cause us to grow a bit taller, it's what our bodies are made to do.

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 3 of 9 (31324)
02-04-2003 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by hobbst3r
02-04-2003 2:44 PM


Where's your testable alternate theory?
Are you going to present a case for your story? Or just pick at the same old holes in the other guys theory? If so that's a tired tactic on both sides of the coin.

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hobbst3r
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Message 4 of 9 (31331)
02-04-2003 3:51 PM


you didn't answer my questions. Please stay on topic.

  
Zephan
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Message 5 of 9 (31333)
02-04-2003 4:01 PM


Funk,
Why does someone need to posit an alternative theory? This site is entitled, Evolution v. Creation. Either evolution stands on its own or it doesn't; it certainly appears the evolutionists have assumed the burden of proof here.
However, it has been repeatedly said that science doesn't prove anything, much less evolution.

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 6 of 9 (31343)
02-04-2003 4:48 PM
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02-04-2003 4:01 PM


Look at the questions raised in the first post of this topic. Now do you know how many times I've seen these same questions raised and seen the same answers come up?
Just wish there were some new questions raised, instead of consistently seeing the same arguments. That's all I was getting at. I will just steer clear of this topic, sorry to distract from the topic.
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Saved by an incredible Grace.

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nator
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Message 7 of 9 (31426)
02-05-2003 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by hobbst3r
02-04-2003 2:38 PM


quote:
Where is the gradual fossil evidence that proves evolution?
The reptile to mammal jaw/ear progression is good, and so is the whale progression.
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There are thousands of species, and no fossil evidence that shows anyone of them gradually evolving.
Wrong.
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
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Even with the fossils we have, they should all be evolving into something, not just the same species of fossils found over and over again.
Every individual is differnt from the next, even within species. You aren't proposing that every fossil of the same species is a clone, are you?
I think you need a good bit of education in Biology. Here is a good place to start:
Frequently Asked Questions About Creationism and Evolution"
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How has life started?
There are some ideas, but none are really solid. It may be something we never figure out.
quote:
Don't give me that lightning created enzyme crap, enzymes create protiens and protiens create DNA, but that is in a living organism that allows the enzymes to do that. Life comes from other living things, enzymes are not alive, first thing I learned in my 8th grade bio class.
You do realize that how the first life got here is irrelevant to if they evolved or not, don't you?
The ToE doesn't address how life got here, only what happened to it after it arrived.
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Where is the evidence that the eye evolved? 'They' say that this evolved to that, and yet the eye comes out of no where, no evolution evidence with something that complex.
Eye evolution:
Evolution: Library: Evolution of the Eye
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How can species evolve with natural selection? if it takes billions of years for a species to evolve to become fit for it's environment, then how come they didn't die off?
Every species is either fit for it's current environment, or it does die off.
What you don't understand about Biology is a lot. Read the links.

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hobbst3r
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Message 8 of 9 (31604)
02-06-2003 11:21 PM


that eye evo doesn't prove anything, they showed no evidence to support those theories, I want to see some hardcore evidence since there are so many species with eyes these days.
Maybe I should have posted my thing a bit clearer also though. What I meant is something more like this... Where is the evolution fossil evidence that shows the Rodhocetus evolving to the Basilosaurus from that whale example you gave me?

  
Philip
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Message 9 of 9 (31636)
02-07-2003 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by nator
02-05-2003 11:59 AM


Schraf you state:
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You do realize that how the first life got here is irrelevant to if they evolved or not, don't you?
The ToE doesn't address how life got here, only what happened to it after it arrived.
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--I think many ToE-ists would disagree with you, at least in all the biology texts I've ever seen. Remember those lightnings-in-the-jar experiments that even produced proteins (which Quetzel probably still insists are enzymes, ... ha ha).
--Perhaps, you Shraf, forget their quotes: "The ToE is the cornerstone of biological science". When in reality the redemptive ID is the cornerstone of biological science, medical science, physics, and all other science, in my bigoted yet junky opinion.
--But at least you Shraf have recanted what they said in all the biology texts as part of the ToE.
--I wish the ToE-ists would stick with the ToE, the last few millenia, and stay out of the primordial soup as you somehow claim they do?#!
--Truth (to me) seems most evos have gotten into many of life's complex soups and blasphemed the venerable ToE as it meagerly applies to science. (Note, I am not deriding micro-biology, biochemistry, genetics, and their branch-sciences, all of which function fine with ToEs in dealing with current biological events)
--Surely the ToE has become the most subtle, coniving, absurd, exploited, and abused science on the planet, worthy of rebuke by science-lovers and Christians alike. Its all-too-perversive idolotrous intrusion into true cladistic biology needs to be quickly destroyed. The fable must die. Its hype is the greatest folly of micro-biology beginning at the enzyme (lower-IC) level and on up the higher IC levels of taxa, soul, and psyche.

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