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Omnivorous
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Message 16 of 18 (316298)
05-30-2006 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by rgb
05-30-2006 12:35 PM


Re: Let everyone hear Phelps, loud and clear
While I agree with you on this, I am more content to point out Phelps' rights as a citizen than having a hidden agenda behind my support for Phelps' right to free speech.
I congratulate you on your contentment, but I assure you I have no hidden agenda. I unequivocally support every person's right to free speech.
Can't people understand that the rights that we enjoy must be applied to everyone and not just the people we think we like?
I understand that perfectly well.
I also understand that one cost of free speech is the malady of hate speech which can--and sometimes does--cross the line into the advocacy of hate crimes. We walk that legal line to remain both free to speak without fear and free to live without fear of harrassment or violence.
The closer hate speech approaches that line, the more clearly we all need to hear what is being said; the antibodies to ignorance and hate are knowledge and understanding, and silencing hate speech suppresses the body politic's response to the malady and allows that hate to fester.
To remind some fellow advocates of free speech who seem tempted to limit hateful but noncriminal speech that this is so does not indicate that I have a hidden agenda, or a less worthy set of motivations.
I contemplate pragmatic reasons to keep hateful speech free as one of the consolations of political philosophy. Understanding those reasons contributes to an understanding of how free speech and freedom from fear can both be maintained.

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 17 of 18 (316389)
05-30-2006 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by jar
05-29-2006 9:52 PM


Retraction
quote:
It is amazing to me that both the House and the Senate have moved on this measure and that it is likely to be passed and sent to the President for signature. Legislation like this is a far greater threat to America than all the terrorists in the world.
After looking more closely at the proposed law, seeing the compelling arguments in this thread, and examining the situation in a more rational light, I believe this law has no merit. It appears unneccesary and sets a damaging precedent for free speech.
I retract any comments made in post 9 that may appear to be in sympathy with this obviously pandering piece of legislation.

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jar
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Message 18 of 18 (316394)
05-30-2006 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by anglagard
05-30-2006 7:45 PM


Re: Retraction
Actually, the things you mentioned in your post were all the same as this, yet more examples of the erosion of individual rights from within, attacks on what the US stands for from our very own Government.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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