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simple  Inactive Member |
They are rank amateurs at that site. Sorry you seem impressed with it.
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Jon Inactive Member |
She isn't mentioned as named yet till there, is there any reason Adam may not have named her the day after he named the animals? Once again, my advice to you is the same as it's been the whole way through: READ THE BOOK!
quote: His reason was because Eve was going to have children. Clearly he could not give her a name in Gen 2 for a reason that didn't exist. She first needed to become pregnant (post-Fall) and then he named her. I'm beginning to think there isn't a single chapter that you don't misread.
No, I am not the only one. Just read a bible commentary some day. I've actually read a few, yes. However, never have I heard of anything so crazy as plants on the moon and humans in space. Please now, it's time to set the pipe aside and read the book for what it says. Trék Edited by Invictus, : fixed broken tag
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lfen Member (Idle past 4703 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
You don't want to play that game. Oh but he does. If whisper is not simple he is somebody who has cloned simple's gimmick. He is luring anyone into a debate where he will spring his endless stalemate that the laws of the universe were changed by God some time in the past and then he can pull any answer he wants out of his behind because he will then negate anything you say based on whatever he wants to based on this last thursdayism until everyone tires of it. Just a heads ups. This is as tedious a repetitious troll as I've ever encountered. lfen Edited by lfen, : Noticed there wasn't a subtitle and came back to add it.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
This is as tedious a repetitious troll as I've ever encountered.
But, fortunately for me, I'm starting to get senile enough that it bothers me less these days. I forget yesterday's BS more easily now.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:I don't get it? What about them? quote:Jesus said the scriptures were great. He fulfilled them He used them all the time. How is it we should think you know better again?
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:They knew thay were the first ones, yes. That is why they were made male and female. Now, can you show me why no babies could have been existing before the fall? You claimed it, back it up.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Beings. For example the lady watching creation in Proverbs chap 8. C'mon mate! You're just inventing more fanciful ideas in order to prove the other (obviously false) fanciful ideas. All in support of a twisted half-literalist/half-drunk reading of what now appears to be not only Gen 1&2, but the whole Bible too!
Insinuating God doesn't have His Ps and Qs right as author of the bible! Tell me, what evidence do you have that God wrote the Good Book? Trék
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Jon Inactive Member |
That is why they were made male and female. Now, can you show me why no babies could have been existing before the fall? It's not that they COULDN'T exist, it's just that they DIDN'T exist. Adam cannot name his wife Eve because she is mother of all the living long before she bears children. Afterall, Adam was fresh formed from the ground... I doubt he knew much about what he would do with a woman. Look at her? Sit on her?... oh WAIT! Have children with her... becomes quite obvious after gaining the knowledge of good and evil, don't you think? But, I'm going to stop with Eve and her name, because it's not important to the creation. Trék
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Actually I am correct here. Read it and see. quote:It is alive, it works. It's prophesies are beyond compare. I have no reason whatsoever to assume He did not give us a book.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:How long was chap 3 from chap 1? How do you know? quote:No, I don't think so at all. God commanded them to have sex right away. They knew all about it. Nothing at all to do with sin. They only became ashamed of being naked after sin.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Says you. Adam is mentioned in the new Testament as well. It spans the whole bible. Not just a few chapters. the specific story of adam and eve is given in genesis 2 and 3, and continued in 4 with cain and abel. i know they're mentioned all over the place, but their story is those three chapters. it's not just some aside information. it's their story.
And it all agrees perfectly. says you.
All that sticks out like a sore thumb is your twisted insistance God is so wacky He couldn't get it straight. no, you're the one with the twisted insistance that god is whacky -- because the rest of us see some pretty obvious problems here, and you are trying to assigne those problems to god's hand.
Your imagining that some bizarre other creation order is crypted into the bible! because we can read the story, whisper. it's reading comprehension. first one event happens, then another event happens. the story is not told out-of-order, no matter how much you insist that it must be. it makes no sense out of order, and your order directly contradicts the actual text of the story.
Funny He didn't want the hebrews saying His name. He told the Christians exactly what it was. Jesus. That is in english. That is the name of God. The only name that need concern men. funny, because jesus himself would not have recognized the name. though if you called him "joshua" he might have understood you. further, that's not the name of god. the name of god is . that's yud-heh-vav-heh, four semi-vowels. it's pronounced "Ya-Hu-Eh"
At one time there was. Plants wwere made before men. Don't get confused with the fireside chat of Gen 2, where we go back and see how He did a few things. again, you require that we ignore genesis 2, in favor of genesis 1. gen 2 SAYS that before man, there were no plants. it SAYS that. it gives us a REASON WHY, too.
It matters enough for God to have told us about it. But these things were not in the Gen 2 order, that is a lookie back at what was done already. So this should clench it for you. Man was made first, then the animals, chap 2 doesn't make that order clear, therefore-----chap 2 is not meant to be such an order! What other evidence do you need? you don't understand what evidence is, do you? and chapter two DOES make that order clear. perfectly clear, in fact. man has lonely, so god made animals. one is caused by the other. your order requires that genesis 2 is completely written in an incomprehensible and confusing order, where effect precedes the cause, and the verses themselves lie.
No, I told you all that stuff. Chap 1 was the order. All relationships revolve around this. Don't ignore that. genesis 2 SAYS that there were no plants because there was no man. then it SAYS that AFTER man was created, he was lonely, so god made animals. these are cause-effect relationships. they REQUIRE that genesis 2 is told in order, not out of order. you are ignoring the text because it doesn't fit your idea.
It is plain enough, don't insult the Almighty by claiming He messed it up. You simply got it all messed up. no, i'm not insulting god. you are insulting god by saying he wrote something this contradictory. you are insulting god by associating him with this sort of work. and evidently, it's NOT plain enough since you simply cannot seem to understand it.
No need to pretend, there are none at all. Chap 2 only seems like a contradiction if you disregard and disbelieve the already complete stated creation order of chap 1. chapter 2 only seems like a contradictions if you've read it.
Read for what it is, more details of what was created, it is wonderful. The rest is only in your mind. and the DETAILS contradict the other story.
OK, so? You want to display your attempt at explaining a verse. Fine. Pitiful, but fine. Even through a dark glass, one ought to see God had finished by chap 2! no, you fail to recognize your own ignorance.
You think someone broke chap 1 now? No. Chap 2 is not a replacement, it is another chapter. One that gives more details of what was just created. The man was Adam. The woman was Eve. I mean, get with the plan here. just read the book. stop pretending you know what it says, and read it.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Actually I am correct here. Read it and see. The Bible doesn't talk about creatures beeing created on a foreign celestial body and put on hold until God made the animals (which prevented the creatures from seeing the creation, yet allowed them to be made BEFORE creation was done).
It is alive, it works. It's prophesies are beyond compare. I have no reason whatsoever to assume He did not give us a book. Your belief that it is right is NOT evidence. Trék
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Oh reallly? Give us then 3 examples of how God and His bible are wrong. you don't want to get into this here, and it's not place. but i have some fun examples for you.
quote: the circle's diameter is 10 units. it's circumference is 30 units. that makes pi (the ratio of circumference to diameter) = 3. i've seen some fun apology for this one, regarding tricks of measurement, but it's ad-hoc and stupid. but here are my favourite two that make fundamentalists squirm.
quote: same story, crucial detail changed. similarly:
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The Bible doesn't talk about creatures beeing created on a foreign celestial body and put on hold until God made the animals (which prevented the creatures from seeing the creation, yet allowed them to be made BEFORE creation was done). indeed, genesis 2 is the story that has god directly forming animals. in genesis 1, god commands the earth to bring forth animals. Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4703 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
you don't understand what evidence is, do you? Arach, That is simple aka whisper that you are arguing with! Remember he is the guy who claims there were entirely different laws of physics in the universe prior to God changing them to what we know now. Evidence means nothing to him! Nothing at all! He makes up anything he wants, any time he wants and applies to whatever he wants. Evidence? He don't need no stinkin' evidence! Sheesh,lfen
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