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RickJB Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
That link is first class!
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: jhuger writes: Please reconcile these two statements: "With God, nothing is impossible", "You can't be saved unless you accept Jesus as your savior." Its obvious. with God, nothing is impossible. Without God, lots of things are impossible. Huger's point would be: if nothing is impossible with God, then He could save us with or without our cooperation. Zap! You're saved! Saying that He can't do it unless we accept Him diminishes His power. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Its obvious. with God, nothing is impossible. Without God, lots of things are impossible. We coould even start a spinoff thread on Huger, but I gotta go to work
That claim does not address the contradiction. And, the story of 'Hank's ass'.. although a bit crude, in my opinion very accurately satires the behavior of many of the evangalists.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Legend writes:
let's recap:* Bob wants me to come to his club and he's paid the price. * Bob says I have the right to be in his club. * Bob says I can come in the club anytime I like, no catches. so, can I come in Bob's club or can't I ?! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue." |
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
iano writes: that Bob has a nightclub up there at the top floor (which you have never seen)
Legend writes: FAS, I'm prepared to believe that. I'm not sure what 'FAS' means, but my question is: why are you prepared to believe this? And what has preparedness to do with it?
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
iano writes: I'm not sure what 'FAS' means, but my question is: why are you prepared to believe this? And what has preparedness to do with it? FAS = For Argument's Sake. I'm prepared to believe, for the sake of this discussion, the things you've asserted: * Bob wants me to come to his club and he's paid the price.* Bob says I have the right to be in his club. * Bob says I can come in the club anytime I like, no catches. * Even if I spill some beer, Bob still forgives me. I won't let the fact that neither of us has ever met Bob or know of anyone who's been to his club dissuade me from being prepared to believe that the above is true. Now the next stage: given the above, I assume it's ok for me to come in the club, right ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Im sure Ian would assert that he talks with Bob on a daily basis.
I've met Bob, IMHO and IMHB, and will say that there are no other clubs quite like His and no other owners quite like Him.
Legend writes:
You will know when you are to go to check out the club, but Bob usually likes to meet His guests beforehand. You will be receiving a personal call from Bob very soon. I'll leave it up to you two to arrange a meeting....let me know if I can help clear anything up.
I assume it's ok for me to come in the club, right?
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Phat writes: You will be receiving a personal call from Bob very soon. I'll leave it up to you two to arrange a meeting.... is that some sort of threat ?! LOL are you and iano playing good cop / bad cop ?! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You will know when you are to go to check out the club, but Bob usually likes to meet His guests beforehand. You will be receiving a personal call from Bob very soon. I'll leave it up to you two to arrange a meeting....let me know if I can help clear anything up.
Well, I haven't seen or talked to anybody who has actually BEEN a guest at Bob's house. A lot of people say that they had a personal call from him, but they have never been able to give me their cell phone so I could hear this bob for myself. Now, when I go to live someplace, I want to get some personal feedback. Can you arrainge for me to talk to someoen who has actually spent a few months at Bob's house, and let me interview them to see if it is all that it is claimed to be? Not over the cell phone either.. Just a nice face to face talk. Oh.. in addition.. I tried to call the number that was provided to me to reach bob, and all I got was 'This number is not in service, or temporiarly disconnected, no further information'. Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Theoretically, your first impressions of Bob would not be tainted by second hand accounts of His eternal behavior I don't have second hand accounts, I have the text that Bob told people to write down. it is in the same book that tells me how wonderful Bob is, so should I reject all of it or just the parts that doesn't make Bob look so good?
Seriously, you bring up a good point. Just WHO is this God, anyway? Most likely, He was one of the Canaanite pantheon that the Israelites began to worship.
Do you really think that people will be judged at this 2nd Coming based on how they respond to the God described in the Bible and His 1st appearance? Nope. Jesus is dead and gone, no second coming.
What of the ones who never heard the story? Will they be given more slack or will they be cruelly and massively deported to fiery torment? Do you think it is impossible that your God would employ incidental players for His plan? Brian.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Legend writes: are you and iano playing good cop / bad cop ?! Maybe.....(but it was unintentional on my part!)
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: I've met Bob, IMHO and IMHB, and will say that there are no other clubs quite like His and no other owners quite like Him. Have you ever been to Bob's place up at the lake? Much nicer than that dive. Much nicer class of people. I like to watch the ducks. By the way, I bet iano didn't think of the imagery of a "smokin' hot-spot" when he thought up that analogy. ("Free brimstone for the ladies during Happy Hour.") Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Legend writes: You see, God has a bit of a quirk: he is bound by his own rules. Is this true? Could you point to the chapter and verse? If it is true it would really clear up several problems I have with my perception of the xian god.
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Larni Member (Idle past 163 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Are you saying that the xian god is a mean old bastard?
If you are I totally agree. It could have left us in paradise. But it has to play some manipulative petty rule rigged game.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
there's not one single verse that sums it up but throughout the scriptures dozens of chapters point to one direction only, I think important verses are:
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh...." (1Pet 3:18)"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) also reflected in Rom. 8:3-4, 2 Cor. 5:21 and many other passages in Paul's letters. Note that is doesn't say "For God so loved the world that he forgave us all and invited us all back in" oh no, God had to see some blood on the floor, even if it was his own Son's! Also note that Christ had to suffer for sins so that he can bring us to God. God likes to see someone suffer before he'll even think about forgiveness. Throughout the bible you can see that when God gets miffed someone has to suffer. There are no two ways about it. 2Pet 2:4-9 sums up what God did in the good old days and also what he threatens to do in the future unless you accept that he had to make his son suffer instead of us directly (though we do still suffer in out daily lives....I know....don't ask) You see, it's pretty clear that God isn't like you and I whereas we can forgive, forget and move on, oh no, God wants to see some blood on the matt and only then he'll begin to think about forgiveness (with terms & conditions ofcourse). "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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