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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
(with terms & conditions of course). That you accept his invite you mean? Strange contortion of the English language that. Someone offers to give you something and you not accepting it is a term and condition of them offering it? Somehow or other you have managed you contrive a situation where you are able to accept things that you do not beleive (which is not what accepting is). Or accept things "for the sake of argument" (which is not what accepting is either) Edited by iano, : edit title Edited by iano, : typo
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Larni writes: Are you saying that the xian god is a mean old bastard? if you take the whole of the bible as the true word of God, then that's the only conclusion I can come to about God. but don't take my word of it, read it for yourself. P..S and when I say read it I mean read it throughout and in context, don't just pick the nice verses that make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, like a lot of Christians seem to do. Edited by Legend, : added P.S "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Larni writes: Could you point to the chapter and verse? quote: In the Bible (as in life), light corresponds to goodness and darkness corresponds to evil. God has no darkness in him and so it is impossible for him to do something evil. The thought cannot occur to him - for there is no darkness in him to suggest the thought as there is in us. He can hate evil. But his hating is not like most of our hating - which stems from darkness. Some of our hatred gives a bit of a hint though. Take the acts of a paeodophile. We hate them because they are evil acts . It is not dark to hate evil in this case "God cannot break his own rules" is a poor way of expressing it. God doesn't have any rules for himself, he just IS the way he is. His rules for us stem from the way he is. Better were it said that God cannot act in a way which is inconsistant with who he is. Edited by iano, : change unlike to like
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
and when I say read it I mean read it throughout and in context, In the context of what overarching principle Legend? That it is the word of God only means that man didn't make it up. But that isn't a context - that only means that what's written comes from God But I applaud the advice to Larni - something which this tired old evangelist forgets to mention at time. Do read it all. You can pre-suppose that if it is the word of God then inconsistant it will not be. Apparent inconsistancy can be laid aside for a time using the simple technique known as "pointing the finger at my own limitations in getting it and not supposing there to be an inconsistancy because of those limitations"
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Well there you have it - all the following is good.
quote: Who wants to buy a bridge? I've got one for sale, one previous owner. Oh wait I forgot the time God sent some bears to rip 42 children into shreads because they'd called someone baldly.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Somehow or other you have managed you contrive a situation where you are able to accept things that you do not beleive (which is not what accepting is). Suppose you go down to pay your gas bill and the clerk tells you it's already been paid. You can believe it or not - it doesn't matter. Your "acceptance" of the gift is not even an issue. You can't even refuse to accept it - it's a done deal. The debt is off the books - there is no way to put it back on. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Legend writes: Look at the History of human nature---specifically during times of war. I see no evidence of progressive humans but I DO see evidence of the same mistakes and imperfections being made by us time and time again. You see, it's pretty clear that God isn't like you and I whereas we can forgive, forget and move on, oh no, God wants to see some blood on the matt and only then he'll begin to think about forgiveness (with terms & conditions ofcourse). I can agree with you guys about the O.T. God as a mean and vengeful one, but if viewed in the context of a warlike people (who were not His puppets, by the way) I can accept some of the conclusions.The Second Coming...if literal...will only happen after we progressive and enlightened humans go through another series of wars that will leave us questioning our moral fiber and purpose. Unless you think that without any sort of religion, we will all get along merrily and not fight any longer!
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo writes: Here and all this time I thought you were a strict behaviorist! You are crossing over into Grace County in the State of Forgiveness! Whats up with that?
Suppose you go down to pay your gas bill and the clerk tells you it's already been paid. You can believe it or not - it doesn't matter. Your "acceptance" of the gift is not even an issue. You can't even refuse to accept it - it's a done deal. The debt is off the books - there is no way to put it back on.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
iano writes: That you accept his invite you mean? Strange contortion of the English language that. Someone offers to give you something and you not accepting it is a term and condition of them offering it? iano writes: That you accept his invite you mean? Strange contortion of the English language that. Someone offers to give you something and you not accepting it is a term and condition of them offering it? it was only a few posts ago that you, yourself, iano, said that we were all invited, we have the right to come in, no catches, remember ? the invite has been issued. Fullstop. I can be courteous and send a written acceptance or I can just turn up at the door. This is up to me, but the invite still stands.No catches, remember ? you're not now saying that the condition is that we accept that his son dies for our sins,etc, or else we can't come in, are you ? that sounds very much like a condition to me. BTW, a few pages back you have an open *bump* post waiting for clarification. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
iano writes: He can hate evil. But his hating is not like most of our hating ...... just like his justness is not like most of our justness.. and his love is not like our love...... and his mercy is not like our mercy..... again, read 2Pet 2:4-9 to understand what his justness, love and mercy are like. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
iano writes: You can pre-suppose that if it is the word of God then inconsistant it will not be. Apparent inconsistancy can be laid aside for a time using the simple technique known as "pointing the finger at my own limitations in getting it and not supposing there to be an inconsistancy because of those limitations" what a fantastic piece of advice! If you think something doesn't make sense then just assume it's you being stupid and 'not getting it' - not that the text is a mangled old myth - heaven forbid! we have to find a way to spread this to the children, we'll have a new generation full of intelligent, critical thinkers. I challenge you Ian to read the Quran, following your own pre-supposition, as above.You'll be a Musilm in no time! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Suppose you go down to pay your gas bill and the clerk tells you it's already been paid. You can believe it or not - it doesn't matter. Your "acceptance" of the gift is not even an issue. Does Bob own the Gas Co too? I'll pass on your analogy if you don't mind Ringo. We'd have to get into discussing the workings of utility companies and the rights of the consumer to manage their own account as they see fit otherwise
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes: You are crossing over into Grace County in the State of Forgiveness! Whats up with that? I have always said that salvation is a done deal. My point here was that your belief in your salvation is irrelevant. You are "saved", whether you believe it or not. That has no effect on the fact that we must behave correctly. Back to our analogy: Suppose you leave the gas company office firmly believing that your bill is not paid. At home, you don't bother to turn on your furnace because you think the gas is turned off. You shiver through the night and two days later you're found frozen solid. Your belief has no effect on whether or not your bill is paid. But your actions determine your fate. Conversely, you can fervently believe that your bill is paid, but if you don't turn on the furnace, you'll still freeze to death. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: those damned Egyptian babies were all sinners, they just had to pay! Or their fathers were anyway, so the babies deserved what they got! I'm sure they're all burning in hell as we speak! ...same goes for the cattle too. damn those sinful calfs! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: I'll pass on your analogy if you don't mind Ringo. And I'll pass on juggling flaming chainsaws, if you don't mind. I'm about as good at that as you are at analogies. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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