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LudoRephaim
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Message 169 of 202 (313926)
05-20-2006 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by ringo
05-20-2006 2:27 PM


how many times a charm?
maybe 2nd times a charm. Hopefully.
Ringo writes:
Notice the question is not just"can you tame the wild ox?"
So you agree that taming the wild ox is a part of the verses in question. Yet it seems the verses show that It Cannot be tamed
it even says "will the Wild Ox be willing to serve you?" Notice it doesn't say "willing to serve Your Servant" but "willing to serve you. The "you" being Job. God NEVER says the Wild Ox would be the servant of a servant. Another servant isn't even mentioned in the chapter nor talked about. It is JOB and only JOB. It is saying that Job cannot make the wild ox his (and only his) servant.
Ringo writes:
The wild ox will do what God created him to do, not what Job wants him to do
Yet you seem to forget tham Human beings have long sinced tamed the wild ox (Aurochs) and have used them for food and farming for thousands of years.
Ringo writes:
Job would have to send a servant to "supervise" the wild ox.
Now lets narrarate what you said based on previous statements.
God: can you slay leviathan?
Job: If you get me some good old boys and some spears and lances and weapons, i'll do it!
now lets follow the logic...
God: Can you make the wild ox tame?
Job: give me a few servants with some appropriate tools (ie those needed for taming a 3000 lbs 6 feet 6 inch tall at-the-withers monster Bull) and i'll get 'er dun!
my point is that you bring out the idea that if Leviathan where a mere Crocodile, it wouldn't be "unkillable" as Job 41 makes out Leviathan to be, and only Job and a few guys could take it on and slay it, thus hinting to a supernatural monster. To you the whole passage would seem a joke or weak if it was just a crocodile. Yet the Wild Ox seems to be shown as "untame-able" and you bring out the idea that Job could tame a Wild Ox with a servant, but you do not go on and on that the wild ox is a "supernatural beast".
Why the contradiction??

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Message 171 of 202 (314428)
05-22-2006 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by ringo
05-20-2006 6:43 PM


third time a charm?
Ringo writes:
God asked Job if he could trust the Wild Ox to work on it's own like a human servant.
You seem to be forgetting the part where God asked, and I quote once again:
"Is the Wild Ox WILLING to SERVE YOU?" Job 39:9.
When you take the "willing to serve you" part with the rest of the text, pretty much shows Job could not tame and master the Wild Ox. God didn't just ask if he could trust the Wild Ox. He also asked if the Wild Ox would be Willing (notice the word. I'll post it again willing to serve him, the "him" being Job. In order for the Wild Ox to be tamed, you have to make it "willing" to do so (ie Breaking it's spirit or will)which seems to be something that Job cannot do. Otherwise it would go like this....
God: Is the Wild Ox willing to serve you?
Job: If I break his will, he'll be more than willing!
Yet Job doesn't respond in such a manner. Getting a hint yet??
Ringo writes:
The Ox, no matter how tame, would always be an animal-not a willing servant
If you have an ox that doesn't want to pull your plow and you give him a lash of the whip, watch that ox become willing!

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Message 173 of 202 (315192)
05-25-2006 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by ringo
05-22-2006 6:04 PM


oh brother!
Ringo writes:
So what if a sick old man cant tame a Wild Ox. I can
Do you know for sure if the people in the land and time of Job knew how to tame a wild ox? Just because people long before Job did it doesn't mean that Job and those around him could.
Ringo writes:
It doesn't matter if you can tame him.
Yet the text show he cannot.
Ringo writes:
So what if a sick old man couldn't kill Leviathan? I can.
Still stuck on the "Unkillablility" of Leviathan? How it shows Leviathan to be beyind-a-shadow-of-a-doubt to be invincible? Well, as I've shown before, Job 39:13-18 seems to show the Ostritch as cruel to her young and not wise enough to keep her eggs from being crushed by another animal stepping on it, yet we've since found out otherwise (The Ivp Bible Background commentary: Old Testament, page 510)God was talking to Job in a way that he could understand. He wasn't going in depth into why Ostritch and Wild Ox act the way they do. He was basing his argument on the observation of Job and other ancients and their conclusions to prove a point!
Since Job shows the Aurochs to be untameable, yet they where tamed, and since it shows the Ostritch to be cruel and uncaring, yet it hasa been recently proven otherwise, what does that tell you about the "invincibility" of Leviathan????
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Message 175 of 202 (316516)
05-31-2006 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
05-25-2006 9:04 PM


Re: What's the point?
Ringo writes:
The subtle message is that the ox cannot be TRUSTED to plow on his own,
Once again, you forget the WILLING part of the equation. If the wild Ox isn't willing, it cannot be tamed. The word "WILLING" comes before the word "Trust".
I've already answred your question about what the point of the story is if Leviathan was a mere Crocodile. You seem to not want to face my answers so you ask again and again. Maybe if I write it this way you might just understand.
If you can not take on the mighty, super strong Leviathan(crocodile), how can you take on Omnipotent Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

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Message 181 of 202 (316662)
05-31-2006 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by ringo
05-31-2006 10:48 AM


Re: What's the point?
Ringo writes:
Once again, the tameability of the wild ox is irrevelant.
Actually, IT IS VERY. VERY, VERRYYY Important.it shows that God was not giving a science lesson, but a lesson that ancients like Job could understand! THe Wild Ox is shown to be UNTAMEABLE (the word WILLING mentioned in the text? Let me put it again: WILLING WILLING you have to make the animal willing in order to be able to tame it) The Ostritch is said to be cruel to it's young, which has been shown to be false. Yet the ancients, based on observation, thought so.
Ostritch shown as cruel= they are not cruel!
Aurochs seemed as untameable in text=they where tamed long before Job.
Leviathan shown to be "unkillable"=...fill the blanks for yourself.
I've asked numerous times, yet you Never answered: If the Ostritch is described as cruel, yet is not, and the Aurochs as untameable, yet where tamed, what does that tell you about Leviathan being UNKILLABLE?????
Ringo writes:
Crocodile can be taken on by ordinary men
Can everybody? Did Job know how to? Did the people in his time and area know how to?
Ringo writes:
The Clear implication is that Leviathan is stronger than any man
Hmm, someone needs a little Biology lesson. Crocodiles, as well as alligators, Orangutans, Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Wolves, Bears, Rhinos, Elephants, Hippos, Whales, Lions and Tigers, and gazillions of other animals Are Stronger than Humans. In Relative terms, even Rhino Beetles and Ants are stronger than humans.
Yet Leviathan is a mythical animal because it is stronger than a human? Please state your case clearly? Thank you
Ringo writes:
If Leviathan was a Puny Crocodile
Crocodiles can grow to 20 feet long, weigh over 2,000 pounds, and have super strong jaws that crush bone, yet they are puny? LOL!
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Message 183 of 202 (318025)
06-05-2006 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by ringo
05-31-2006 5:47 PM


ICE BEAR
Ringo writes:
Look at the questions God asks about the Wild Ox:
Lets do so!! But in a better and more modern translation??Updated New American Standard Bible (NASB)??
"Will the Wild Ox consent to serve you, or will he spend the night at your manger?" Job 39:9, Updated NASB
What does the word "Consent" mean in this passage?
Ringo writes:
The Bible writers where mistaken about the Ostritch. So what?
and:
Ringo writes:
So What?
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! So the Bible writers can be mistaken about the ostritch, but they cant be mistaken about Crocs?? A huge cloud of Croc breath fogging out of it's mouth on a cold morning along with a hiss wouldn't be thought of by the ancients as evidence of fire breathing??
Ringo writes:
Physical strength is irrevelant
Tell that to the late Timothy Treadwell and his late girlfriend, who where both mauled by a huge alaskan Grizzly and had no "spears" or "Guns" to defend themselves. Tell that to the untold thousands of people who have been mauled, dismembered, killed and eaten by animals far stronger than themselves.
Ringo writes:
Weaponized, we are stronger than all of the above
Then you should use a better word, dont 'ya dink?
"Stronger" is a poor word choice. More "Formidable", "Deadliest" or "Lethal" would have been better.
Ringo writes:
Very Puny. No match for three guys with spears and ropes.
L.O.L.
Okay, Crocs puny? tackle a 20 foot 2,500 lb Croc with nothing but your hands! Try to wrestle it and kill it bare handed! We would see who is REALLY puny then.
oh, and the other thing:
Ringo writes:
The Bible writers did make it fairly clearly that Leviathan was unkillable.
Anymore than the dreaded "Ice Bear" of Inuit mythology was said to repel spears and arrows? Oh,...you didn't know that?
Ice Bear: also winter bear, a creature of inuit myth which is said to come out in winter and had coats that where capable of stopping any arrow or spear. Said to come during winter (hence "ice or winter bear")
Reality: Some Brown Bears dont have a good amount of stored fat to stay hibernated during winter and sometimes awake early, still during snow time. Sometimes these bears will find patches of slush or water and get drenched. The water freezes, making the bear covered with ice armor. The mythical "ice Bear" was born (See page 55 of "The Grizzly Almanac" by Robert H. Busch for details on the "Dreaded Ice Bear")
Whatdawehavehere???? A Mythical animalsaid to repel arrows and spears, seemingly unstoppable, unkillable, YET WAS IN REALITY NOTHING MORE THAN A GRIZZLY
If the Ice bear was based on Grizzly bears, maybe Leviathan was based on a Crocodile??
Once again:
If the Bible describes the Ostritch as cruel, yet it is not, and if the Wild Ox is described as untamebale, yet was once tamed, what does that tell you about LEVIATHAN? Maybe God was basing his argument on Job's observation, ie in a way that he and others around him could learn from and understand???
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Message 184 of 202 (318053)
06-05-2006 5:53 PM
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05-31-2006 5:47 PM


oh, Ringo??....
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Message 186 of 202 (318407)
06-06-2006 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by ringo
06-05-2006 9:09 PM


Grizzlies and Gorillas!
Here we go again (sigh)
Ringo writes:
The Wild Ox's "Consent" is not the issue. You're still ignoring the word "trust":
You have to Tame a wild Ox before you can even think about trusting it. You're still ignoring the words "willing/consent".
[qs=Ringo]You cant just assume that the Bible writers where mistaken about everything.[qs] Well, If i did I would not be a Christian now would I lol? I used the wrong word perhaps; I dont believe that the Bible writers where mistaken, but that their observation of the animal kingdom was used by God to prove a point.
Ringo writes:
Yeah those cold blooded Crocs Really love the cold weather, dont they?
Well, it does get cold in that part of asia, and Crocs did live there.
Ringo writes:
Yes the "ice Bear" legend is based on a real animal.(Probably a Polar Bear, not a Grizzly-No Grizzlies in Inuit Country)
Um, hate to burst your bubble, but Brown bears actually do live in Inuit country. Inuit's live on upper alaskan and canadian coasts, and Brown Bear habitat is even there (Page 15 of Robert H. Busch's "The Grizzly Almanac", pages 4-5 of "Bear Aware:THe Quick Reference bear country survival guide", second edition by Bill Schneider,Pages 46-47 of "Bears" bi Ian Stirling Ph.d, Page 128 of "Bears of the World" by Lance Craighead, and pages 192-193 of "Smithsonian Institution: Animal" by Don E. Wilson and David.)
see also
Inuit - Wikipedia
Ringo writes:
That's the JPS by the way
I have a JPS ("THe Jewish Study Bible")and it does not have the strikingly king James/archaic wording(unless it is a NJPS, which it does not say) It is also odd that your verse quote ala Job 41:7 is word-for-word identical with the KJV rendering.
Ringo writes:
Leviathan had to be a monster of mythic poportions, or God's comparison to him would be meaningless
Actually, there are several real animals past and present that you can make that comparison with.
Silverback Gorillas watch over their family (mates and offspring)like a hawk, and pitty on your butt if you try to kill or hurt them. Gorillas are not omnipotent or unkillable, but like God they watch over their loved ones, and give wrath to those who threaten them. God can compare himself to animals in certain ways.
And lets not forget that EVEN MYTHOLOGICAL MONSTERS ARE NOT ALWAYS UNKILLABLE
Nemean lion? Chimera? Minotaur? Medusa? Dragons? Vampires? Giants? All creatures of myth and folklore that could be killed.
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Message 188 of 202 (318414)
06-06-2006 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by ringo
06-05-2006 9:09 PM


duelling websites
Your source was amazing. You used a source that was creationist like mine, but with a list of sources that was mostly made up of Creationist sites, while mine had many sources to secular science works. Your's also promoted the "giant human tracks" at the Paluxy Riverbed in Gleen Rose TX. Answersingenesis even considers that to be bogus. And the site seems to have mistaken the weight of Tyrannosaurus Rex. (5-7 tons, not 30!!!!!)
Your site also concludes that good ol' T rex was Leviathan. Leviathan a real animal, not a beast of Mythology. And it also says that the Croc's hide is tough enough to stop spears.

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Message 190 of 202 (318845)
06-07-2006 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by ringo
06-06-2006 7:15 PM


Bubble bursted
Ringo writes:
Brown Bears do not live in inuit country
Brown bear - Wikipedia
Look at the inuit wikipedia article again, compare both maps on them. What does that tell you??
BTW: Polar Bears cannot have an armor of ice on their coats from freezing water: their coat make it impossible (See links to wikipedia Polar bear section, and read about their fur.)
Sorry: you're are WRONG.
Ringo writes:
Puny Creature like a Croc
That is not worth the response.
Ringo writes:
Dont have acess to the books you cited...so...Im standing by my statement until I see some evidence
You have acess to those books at your local GIant Bookstore (or one in the nearest city or large town) as well as ordering on dah internet. If you take that counter to my position (I dont have those sources. I wont believe 'em!!!) then Why should I debate this with you?
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Message 191 of 202 (318861)
06-07-2006 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by arachnophilia
06-06-2006 6:16 PM


Hey Mr Philia
Hey Arachnophilia
Arachnophilia writes:
But can you think of a non-Mythical animal that is unkillable?
Good question.
By unkillable as in "no-way-no-how-nuthin-not-even-buckshot-tanks-Dr Strangelove-Nukes-Andre-the-Giant-will slay it", no. But then again there where times when certain animals could not be killed by man (Whales where just to large for Homo Egaster to kill)so in that sense, any meag-sized sea animal was "Unkillable"
And since we have a theological slant: Since God is omnipotent (Job confesses it in chapter 42)Nothing really is "Unkillable".
To my knowledge, even mythical beasts that where "unkillable" could be slain by a deity (Zeus and Typhon)
The Teumussian vixen or fox (probably not spelt right was in Greek myth a giant fox that was magically "Unchatchable" but even the gods could slay it (see wikipedia article on this creature for details)

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Message 194 of 202 (320073)
06-10-2006 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ringo
06-07-2006 6:14 PM


Ringo writes:
A Crocodile is a puny creature when confronted by heavily armed men.
Well, you could say the same about human "monsters". 6'10 525 lb Andre the Giant (wrestler) would seem "Puny" by your standards because he could be easily killed by "Heavily armed men".
Heck, a little 90-lb weakling can say that about a 500 lb wrestler if he shot him.
weak guy: Oh andre is Puny! I'm nowhere near as strong, large or frightening, Yet he cant stand up to several guys with tommy Guns!!! THATS PUNY
If this wuss went to fight people of that size (Paul wight, aka "The Big Show" 7 ft tall, 500 lbs. Dalip Singh, aka "The Great Khali" 7ft 3 ich tall, 425 lbs, all WWE wrestlers)with a shotgun and they had only their fists, you could kill them and say THEIR PUNY!!
Yet if the wuss where not cowardly enough to hide behind a gun to fight'em, they'd knock him to china and back.
BTW: You dont want to buy the books? Just find them at your local bookstore and look through 'em. You can do that without buying them. You have acess without need of buying.
besides their great reads
I wont concede your point. I just choose to agree to disagree. We aint gonna convince each other, and i'm tired of this debate.
peace
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Message 196 of 202 (387737)
03-02-2007 11:07 AM
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Ringo writes:
bye bye croc. Hello Leviathan
nope. Although I wont be able to continue this debate, i still have to bring up some things.
1. Your sources, as well as mine, showed that a Crocodile's back is impervious to spears and other primitive weapons.
2. Considering the mythical "ice Bear", I showed that mythical, seemingly unkillable monsters could be based on common animals that are killed often today, and even back in prmitive times.
3. I showed that Biblical authors could be mistaken in observations of known animals (Ostritch), and therefore could be mistaken about Leviathan being a fire-breather (whatever it may be, Croc or cryptid).
4. That the Leviathan of Job is different from the mythical multiheaded Leviathan, due to it only having one head (Job 41:2: Can you put a cord through his nose or piece his Jaw with a hook? 41:7: Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears? compare to Psalm 74:14: "it was You who crushed the Heads of Leviathan; and gave him as food to the creatures of the Desert". compare to mythical Lotan, that was multi-headed.
And despite the debate, Leviathan's physical strength is shown to be a factor in his seemingly "unkillability"
"If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again!" Job 41:8.
Now to be fair, the "Leviathan" of Job 41 may not have been a crocodile but some entirely unknown huge reptile that has either gone extinct or undiscovered (a cryptid). And despite not being the multi-headed leviathan, it is possible that Leviathan may be some supernatural critter; the seemingly invincibility of Leviathan is kind of similar to the invincibility of Tiamat, Dragon of Babylonian Mythology (Carol Rose "Giants,Monsters & Dragons" page 360).
But of course Crocodiles where not always called "Crocodiles" (according to Herodotus, Crocodiles where called "Champsae" by the egyptians, and "Crocodile" by the Ionians (and, to be fair, describes both their invincible back, being tamed, and hunted and eaten on the same page (123 of Penguin classics version of Herodotus "the histories"). Just as it is used to say "whales" today, it caould have been used to say "Crocodiles" back then. But the whole debate is tentative.
I dont have any time to fully debate this, but a simple conversation would be okay off and on. Plus im busy and sickly.
BTW: nice new avatar image! Sharon Stone is HOT!
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Message 200 of 202 (402521)
05-27-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by ringo
03-02-2007 1:14 PM


no.
actually, quite yes. looky herez;
"The skin of the Crocodile is so hard and closely set with scales, that it is impenetrable"
Job 41: Was Leviathan a crocodile, whale or dinosaur?
(notice also about the weak spot on a croc's neck, useful for killing one. being fair)
and...
"The hard scales made it's back impossible to penetrate, especially if the creature was old..."
"These reptiles have hard scales (called scutes) under the skin on their backs. arrows and spears will not go through these scales"
http://Pelotes.jea.com/NativeAmerican/LeMoyne/leMoyne.htm
now compare to one of my sources:
"It (croc)has a hide tough enough to repel harpoons and spears" (Parenthesis, "croc" word mine) Ralph O. Muncaster's "Dinosaurs and the Bible", page 37.
See also Herodotus.
Mythical creatures-giants, ogres, Dragons, etc- were described in different ways because there where no eyewitnesses
on the ogres and giants: you dont watch much wrestling and football, do you? Basketball? Have a guiness world record book?
You have heared of the Alton Giant, aka the world's tallest man, Robert Wadlow, who was about 8 feet 11 inches tall (see any Guiness book of world records, also Norris Mcwhirter's "Book of Historical records", page 108)? What about the late pro wrestler, Andre the GIANT? He was around 7 foot, 500+ lbs (250 kilos). Or some other wrestlers of that size, such as the Great Khali (7 feet 3 inches tall, 420 lbs, bodybuilder physique) or the Big Show (7 feet, 500 lbs)? If you want some net links to read more, let me know.
If it was entirely unknown, where did the descriptions come from?
My bad: I meant unknown to modern knowledge and science, not unknown to Job and his ancient society. Pandas were not known about by western civilization until very recently, yet the Chinese had known about them for generations.
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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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03-03-2007 12:29 AM


Re: No, no, you're both wrong ...
also very outdated

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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